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A freeper's message:To the perpatraitors of the recent e-mail computer viruses
E.G.C.

Posted on 12/04/2001 11:30:03 AM PST by E.G.C.

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To: toupsie
There's no other product that's expected to run/function in harmony with so many different components, from so many different sources. I like Unix, but it just doesn't have the capability of running any little old gadget or whistle that I want (or think I need) to run.

Just say no to e-mail attachments - you don't know where they've been!

Abstention works for STD's and TTD's.

21 posted on 12/04/2001 1:47:20 PM PST by hocndoc
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To: E.G.C.
You guys, I've been on Windows at work and at home since the original Windows 3.1 on those 3.5" floppies.

I have never been virus-infected.

I just never EVER open an attachment from ANYone unless I am expecting it. If you attach something to me and I am not expecting it -- and if I know your number -- expect a phone call so I can corroberate it's validity.

Also, I NEVER install software without scanning it with the most current version of MacAfee, unless it is factory sealed.

So far -- what, like 15 years now? -- so good.

22 posted on 12/04/2001 1:47:28 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
I've done pretty well, especially because I stopped using DOS and Windows in 1993...but, because someone brought it home from school on a floppy, I did get bit by Michelangelo in 1992.

It was not fun.

23 posted on 12/04/2001 2:01:46 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: Lazamataz
Creating a virus is a multi-billion dollar act of vandalism and warrants the stiffest punishment.

If we have to use a commando squad to kidnap the culprit from another country, so be it. If we hang a few of them, it might serve as a deterrent.

24 posted on 12/04/2001 2:14:21 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Twodees
Me too.
25 posted on 12/04/2001 2:32:17 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Lazamataz
I believe someone in another thread gave this little piece of advice. That if you right-click the e-mail, then delete it, it doesn't open. I think that following this advance would prevent anymore virus catastrophies but I could be wrong.
26 posted on 12/04/2001 2:37:04 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: E.G.C.
I think you also have to turn off the "Message Preview" feature.

This is intesting: apparently, this worm can also spread via ICQ.

27 posted on 12/04/2001 2:53:06 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: toupsie
I am not spending tons of money on firewalls, virus protect and data recovery. My Mac OS X comes with that built-in (sans virus protection we really never have virus outbreaks in Mac OS X or Linux).

Your "built-in virus protection" is better known as a 4% market share. Hackers would rather spend their time annoying the other 96% of us.

28 posted on 12/04/2001 6:58:58 PM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Lazamataz
So far -- what, like 15 years now? -- so good.

I've had my 'puter for 2 1/2 years, no viruses, never hacked, never compromised in any way. I'm running good ol' Windows 98 with no virus scanner\program of any sort. I do use a firewall.

If a person takes the time to set up the security in Outlook Express and uses their head about attachments, there shouldn't be a problem. I've received dozens of viruses through email and newsgroups and managed to never have one incident of trouble.

OTOH, I did try Linux earlier this year. I couldn't get it to install for crap. So, I called my friend, the Linux crusader who talked me into trying the beloved OS, and he ended up wiping out my entire hard drive just to put it on.

It crashed.
It crashed.
It crashed.
It crashed.
It crashed.
It crashed.

I guess I just wasn't cut out to be part of the "Hey! Look at me, I'm different, I'm special, I'm better" crowd (cult).

Oh, the shame....
but my system works....
every time, every day.

Not 1 crash since I dumped Linux and put Windows back on. (7-8 months ago)
If people weren't so lazy about learning how to set up Windows properly and maintain it, there wouldn't be a need to run to a different (less popular) OS that hackers and virus authors don't seem to have a lot of interest in.

29 posted on 12/04/2001 7:43:05 PM PST by cransno
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To: E.G.C.
Yeah, I got bit by the "Badtrans" bug. My email account sent a bunch of emails to my friends. I have no idea how that happened, those sent messages are not recorded in my "sent messages" folder. Weird. My antivirus program was SUPPOSED to pick this kind of stuff up as I update EVERY SINGLE NIGHT.

Best remedy? DO NOT OPEN ATTACHMENTS. Even from your good friends. Especially if they have a strange file extension.

30 posted on 12/04/2001 7:51:42 PM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: BellStar
"vunderable" or not, why do you think, not many are switching to Linux and Apple's Mac OS X?

Because of that annoying kid that sells computers for Dell on TV. In reality, its marketing. Windows machines are cheap. They offer so many substandard addones such as printers, cameras and scanners. How could you pass up that deal? Pure snake oil. Most people I know, that are not super computer savvy, end up only able to surf the web and write a document after a few months because "something screwed up the computer" and that cheap scanner, camera and printer doesn't work or only works when you rub your belly and pat your head.

Apple costs more and there are people out there that do not believe that extra cost is worth it. I do. I always feel proven in that belief when I read about the problems of Windows users. I use computers to get things done. I don't want to waste time protecting them because of a flawed Operating System if there is an alternative. To me, its common sense.

31 posted on 12/04/2001 9:22:00 PM PST by toupsie
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
BTTT!!!
32 posted on 12/05/2001 5:57:42 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: toupsie
I bet you a dollar to a donut that the person that wrote this virus is not an American citizen.

In the late 80s, I hear, the Bulgarian govt. drafted everyone with an IQ of 130 or higher, and put them to work creating viruses. Ironically, the Eastern bloc suffered far more than we did, since their already-slow PCs took another 20-30% performance hit because of the klutzy antivirus systems they used!

33 posted on 12/05/2001 6:07:47 AM PST by TomSmedley
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Your "built-in virus protection" is better known as a 4% market share. Hackers would rather spend their time annoying the other 96% of us.

Exactly. The ONLY reason why Macs don't get many viruses is because the hackers want results and to affect as many people as possible. Hackers are little terrorists. That is why the US got hit on 9/11 and not Aruba! Both hackers and terrorists want the biggest splash.

34 posted on 12/05/2001 6:21:21 AM PST by Snowy
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To: toupsie
I haven't been hit (said he with crossed fingers) but I am totally fried with Bill "It is now safe to turn off your computer" Gates and his crew who invented the phrase 'illegal operation" and other big brotherisms..

.........but.....

Last time I checked, Linus was a bear to install and understand for a non-nerd.

Maybe you could provide some insights and some sites where we could go to learn more about it.

35 posted on 12/05/2001 6:36:56 AM PST by JimVT
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To: JimRed
And if we find out where you live, you may wish that the law got you first!!!

I second that motion....is the "gone" virus related to this Jim?

36 posted on 12/05/2001 6:40:15 AM PST by KLT
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As long as Microsoft produces a product as porous as Windows, hackers will be there to take advantage of it. No amount of reasoning will change that fact.

It's my belief that "hackers" merely exploit Microsoft's weaknesses because they have a personal grudge against the company, or simply because it's "cool" to pick on Microsoft for being so sucessful. In other words, if, say, Linux was the most popular OS, then it would be targeted for being sucessful. If you think this reasoning is faulty, then I simply point you all to the fact that the majority of "hackers" are not what you saw in the movie "The Matrix". They are usually under 18 (most even under 15), misguided, and angry at the world (as most teenagers are) for no good reason at all, and have found that picking on Microsoft products is an easy way to vent their "teen angst". Thus, if there were another product that was more sucessful than Windows, then they would go after that one to vent their rage at the world.

Also, if you think that Windows is the only OS that is vulnerable to attacks, then you are mistaken. There is no operating system that is completely invulnerable. If Linux were as sucessful as Windows, then all these teenage and pre teen hackers out there that now spend hours looking for vulnerabilities in Windows, would spend an equal amount of time looking for vulnerabilities in Linux, and they'd eventually find those vulnerabilities.

Take home message: The real problem is that there are hackers to begin with, not with any OS, per se.

37 posted on 12/05/2001 6:58:28 AM PST by FourtySeven
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To: Lazamataz
I just never EVER open an attachment from ANYone unless I am expecting it. If you attach something to me and I am not expecting it -- and if I know your number -- expect a phone call so I can corroberate it's validity.

Ditto, I recommend this practice, as it solves most all the virus related problems.

38 posted on 12/05/2001 7:17:00 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: E.G.C.

I'm busy now writing a "TOXIC" !!! ;-))

That is to say, when a virus writer touches his or her keyboard a deadly toxicity will be secretly transferred to the guilty fingers. . . thereafter to spread throughout the body till it makes its final resting place within the virus writer's genital area . . . where it creates a permanently OPEN Window. Don't make me explain further . . . use your imagination !!! ;-))


39 posted on 10/23/2002 4:10:00 AM PDT by GeekDejure
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