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I believe in Allah and America
Wednesday November 28, 2001 | Arsalan Iftikhar

Posted on 11/29/2001 10:30:57 AM PST by EclipseVI

Myself included, there are over one billion humans on earth who call God by his Arabic name, Allah. Out of that billion, over seven million of us call America our home. Many of us are born as Americans, study in American institutions and go on to work and pay American dollars to our tax system. Like everyone else, we eventually find our better half, have chubby babies, go to zoos, get season tickets to the Chicago Bulls, go on our childrens' field trips and fix the leak in our roofs. With all the growing pains in the life that we lead as normal Americans, everyday we turn our face to Mecca to pray to what our Christian brothers call God, our Jewish sisters call Yahweh and whom we call Allah.

Islam, Christianity and Judaism have exactly the same origin. We each believe in the monotheistic deity of Abraham, who was the father of all three of these noble religions. Islam's moral and ethical standards are equivalent, if not more stringent, than those of modern day Christianity and Judaism. We, as Muslims, believe in every prophet of both Judaism and Christianity. We believe the world began with Adam and Eve and great prophets, namely Moses, Aaron, Jacob, Joseph and Jesus (peace be upon all of them) were all divinely inspired by God.

We revere Jesus as a great prophet and the messiah of God. He is mentioned by name in the Quran 33 times. We equally revere the Virgin Mary as the mother of the Messiah. She is the only woman mentioned by name in the Quran and she is mentioned 34 times. Anyone who says Muslims don't respect women, read the entire chapter dedicated to Mary (peace be upon her). How many times was our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) mentioned by name in the Quran? Five.

In Islam, a woman receives a monetary dowry from her husband, of which he has no legal claim. A woman is not obligated to change her maiden name. CNN happily broadcasts women being oppressed by the Taliban regime. Islam abhors the oppression of women. The Taliban says women are not allowed to work, yet the Prophet Muhammad's wife, Khadijah, was one of the most successful merchants in all of Arabia. Should we base our belief on a bunch of tribal warlords or the teachings of our Prophet?

In Islam, both men and women have to dress modestly. One aspect of this modest dress for women is the hijab (head covering). This is a religious mandate, but whether a woman decides to wear it or not, is an issue between her and Allah, because as the Quran categorically states, "there is no compulsion in religion." The hijab symbolizes empowerment, not oppression of women. It allows women to be judged on the content of their character, rather than the physical features that we men today objectify onto them. When we see a nun covered from head to toe in her habit, we commend her on her devotion to God. But when we see a Muslim woman wearing hijab, she is oppressed. In how many likenesses of the Virgin Mary, sculptures or paintings, is her hair not covered? Not one. Was she oppressed? Hardly.

Muslim American is not a paradox. As Muslim Americans we currently live in a diaspora having to deal with an attack on our, yes, our, country. We also have a dual anxiety because our way of life, which is not far different from our Christian and Jewish counterparts, is under attack.

I am a law student. I study international human rights. I have been to U2, Sarah Maclachlan, Dido and Outkast concerts. I have been a ball boy for the Chicago Bulls. I have owned a Ford Mustang. I pray for peace and have read Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" speech ninety-six times. I may be a dreamer, but I promise you, I am not the only one.

I am a Muslim and I am an American. I am proud of both and will compromise neither.


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To: Patria One
You are missing the point of God's mercy and forgiveness and the concept of original sin visited on ALL generations.

And you are missing the point that the bible explicitly states that through one man sin entered the world. For all have sinned.

God's mercy and forgiveness are abundantly shown in that while we were yet sinners He gave His only Son for us. But if you don't accept the Son you also can't receive the forgiveness.

God operates according to a strict covenent. Once He makes it He won't break it. The covenant He made with mankind is that only a live can redeem a life. Since the wages of sin are death, once someone sins they are counted as dead to Him. Only another death can restore them. So God gave the Israelites animal sacrifice to pay for their sins. But they couldn't even live up to that law. Then God gave His Son as the perfect sacrifice, once and for all. But if we don't accept that sacrifice as payment for our sin then we are still in our sin and are dead to God.

The mohammedans refuse to accept Christ's payment for their sins. They are dead to God and the Father weeps over them.

GSA(P)

261 posted on 11/30/2001 7:39:33 AM PST by John O
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To: John O
So you think Jews are dead too? Jeez.

Islam doesn't practice blood sacrifice as they believe that "God neither eats nor is He fed".. The do not domesticate God. Man needs God. not the other way around.

I have always thought that God must have had some plan for the Jews and the Arabs as well as the Christians.

263 posted on 11/30/2001 7:46:03 AM PST by Patria One
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To: Patria One
So you think Jews are dead too?

Sad but true. They cannot sacrifice to cleanse themselves of sin according to the law and they do not accept Jesus' payment of their debt according to grace. They don't have any other options. No man comes to the Father except through Christ.

God does have a plan for the Jews and the Arabs. He planned (and plans) for them to accept His son and become His children. Unfortunately so far they have refused to do that.

GSA(P)

264 posted on 11/30/2001 8:20:33 AM PST by John O
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To: SarahW
That isn't a quote from me, I think you replied to the wrong person. ooops
265 posted on 11/30/2001 9:47:00 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Illbay
For example, for many centuries after the rise of the Christian religion in Europe, even though there were other, even older sects of Christianity (such as the Copts and the Eastern Orthodox), Roman Catholicism was widely acknowledged by those who had influence to be THE CHURCH, encapsulating Christianity. Encapsulating only to those who followed it. What you are pointing at are different churches.

It took more than a millenium before any serious challenge to that concept came forward, with the Reformation..." More churches. This is why some of our friends say, "I atten a Lutheran Church."

A church is a social institution that promulgates a particular religious doctrine. Similarly, --- and please do not read any kind of insult here, none intended --- a coroporation is a social institution that produced a good or a service. A family is social institution, endemic not to humans only, for procreation of species.

This is different from the religion iteslf, which is a system of values, rules, notions, etc. The distinction here is similar to that of "mathematics" and "Mathematics Department" at a university. The former is a body of knowledge, and the latter, of course, is a social insitution for the promulgation thereof.

Now, And one of the BIGGEST arguments, at least according to my own inquiries into the matter, seem to turn on the question of "what is PURE Islam?"
is a theological question. That is, it concerns with religion. Suppose there are three answers: A, B, and C. Those who follow these interpretations will form "A Church," "B Church," and "C Church," respectively. Each of them will believe that their is PURE Islam. This is what seems to have happened in Christianity, Judaism, and Muhammedism.

266 posted on 11/30/2001 12:56:23 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: Concerned
It just makes me cringe like someone scraping fingernails across a blackboard. PLEASE correct your spelling and pronunciation. Thanks!

I know the feeling. Have you gotten used to the "variations" of "I" and "me?" Or "who" and "whom?" I am just curious.

267 posted on 11/30/2001 1:03:02 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: Patria One
Sounds like you were there at the time!
268 posted on 11/30/2001 1:06:08 PM PST by Binghamton_native
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To: Binghamton_native
Ask a Palestinian about Aramaic, or do some light research on the languages of the Bible and the Middle East, or in particular, on Palestine. Consult a Bible scholar.
269 posted on 11/30/2001 1:09:41 PM PST by Patria One
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To: SarahW
When we see a nun covered from head to toe in her habit, we commend her on her devotion to God. But when we see a Muslim woman wearing hijab, she is oppressed. . . .Hardly

If men hit you with sticks when you venture outside without a headcovering, you are oppressed.

Very true -- try wacking a nun and see how quickly you end up in the hoosegow
270 posted on 11/30/2001 1:21:45 PM PST by GussiedUp
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To: MissAmericanPie
Yup, mouse slippage. I would be trying to respond to Arsalan Iftikhar (who wrote the article text John O posted.)
271 posted on 11/30/2001 1:23:35 PM PST by SarahW
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To: EclipseVI
Many Christians don't even agree that Jesus is GOD IN THE FLESH. Does that make them not christian?

The answer to that question is a yes.. that makes them NOT a Christian.. if you don't believe Jesus is God, then you are not a Christian.

272 posted on 11/30/2001 1:59:15 PM PST by Zipporah
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To: John O
Lets start with just one to keep this simple. the koran commands that people be converted by the sword and that if they change to a faith other than mohammadism that they be killed. The American principle of freedom of religion is totally violated when someone is forced into a religion. the American principle of all men being granted inalienable rights, such as life, is violated when someone is killed for their religious beliefs.

Anti-Islamic people often use the following verses to justify the stereotype that Islam is a religion of violence and intolerance, which was spread by the sword. The explanations here were aided by Abdullah Yusuf Ali's commentary on the Holy Quran.

Sura 8.12 "Remember thy lord has inspired the angels with the message. Give firmness to the believers and instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite the fingertips of them."

Sura 9.5 "When the sacred months have passed, kill the idolaters whereever you find them."

Sura 47.4 "When you encounter the unbelievers, Strike off their heads. Untill you have made a wide slaughter among them tie up the remaining captives."

Sura 8 is about a BATTLE - the Battle of Badr - not just some daily affair. A battles take two side to occur. Are you under the impression that while these 'horrid' Muslims were fighting, the enemies were simply standing there like good little peaceful men?

Sura 47 was revealed during the first year of Hijrah when the Muslims were under *threat of extinction* by invasion from Makkah.

Sura 9 is interesting. Non-Muslims almost invariably quote verse 5 but leave out verse 4 and 6. Why? Because verse 4 says, "But the treatires are not dissolved with those Pagans with whom you have entered into alliance and who have you subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill your engagements with them to the end of their term: for God Loves the righteous."

And verse 6 says, "If one among the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him so that he may hear the Word of God; and then escort him to where he can be secure."

So basically what has been done above is:

1. The background to each sura was shown. One cannot take a verse revealed for a battle and insist it is if for the daily affairs of Muslims.

2. It was shown how Non-muslims who wish to attack Islam, conveniently leave out verses before and after their quoted verse. Above, I have shown only one of the many examples.

This long list of verses from the Holy Quran and the Traditions of Prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him) show that Islam at it's core and at its source is a religion of peace. Terrorists who persecute innocent people because of their faith are not welcome - their use of Islam as a scapegoat, does not make Islam what they portray it to be.

2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing.

16:82 But if they turn away from you, (O Prophet remember that) your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message (entrusted to you).

6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you (of your own choice) a guardian over them.

4:79, 80 (Say to everyone of them,) 'Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have (O Prophet) sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper."

11:28 (Noah to his people) He (Noah) said "O my people! think over it! If 1 act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?

17:53, 54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner (unto those who do not share their beliefs). Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe .... Hence, We have not sent you (Unto men O Prophet) with power to determine their Faith.

21:107 to 109 (O Prophet?) 'We have not sent you except to be a mercy to all mankind:" Declare, "Verily, what is revealed to me is this, your God is the only One God, so is it not up to you to bow down to Him?' But if they turn away then say, "I have delivered the Truth in a manner clear to one and all, and I know not whether the promised hour (of Judgment) is near or far."

22:67 To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites (of prayer) which they observe; therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord (since that is the main objective of religion). You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, (then say,) `God best knows (the value of) what you do."

88:21, 22; also see 24:54 And so, (O Prophet!) exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.

48:28 He it is Who has sent forth His Messenger with the (task of spreading) Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to the end that tie make it prevail over every (false) religion, and none can bear witness to the Truth as God does.

36:16, 17 (Three Messengers to their people)Said (the Messengers), "Our Sustainer knows that we have indeed been sent unto you, but we are not bound to more than clearly deliver the Message entrusted to us.

39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.

42:6, 48 And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch. Mark, you are not a keeper over them. But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach ....

64:12 Obey God then and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away (no blame shall attach to our Messenger), for the duty of Our Messenger is just to deliver the message.

67:25, 26 And they ask, "When shall the promise be fulfilled if you speak the Truth?" Say, "The knowledge of it is verily with God alone, and verily I am but a plain warner."

60:8 Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.

60:9 Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.

The teachings of the Prophet on how you and I should treat our Non-Muslim friends and neighbours on a day to day basis as well as how to government should treat a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state.

"He who believes in God and the Last Day should honour his guest, should not harm his neighbour, should speak good or keep quiet." (Bukhari, Muslim)

"Whoever hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys God." (Bukhari)

"He who hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state, I am his adversary, and I shall be his adversary on the Day of a Judgement." (Bukhari)

"Beware on the Day of Judgement; I shall mysefl be complainant against him who wrongs a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state or lays on him a responsibility greater than he can bear or deprives him of anything that belongs to him." (Al-Mawardi)

"Anyone who kills a Non-Muslim who had become our ally will not smell the fragrance of Paradise." (Bukhari)

273 posted on 11/30/2001 3:32:00 PM PST by EclipseVI
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To: EclipseVI
Probably one of the most important inventions of all times was developed by Islamic MAthematical Scholars. This one invention is the foundation upon which rest all the science and technology we have today.

That invention is the place value system of counting and the concept of of "0" to stand in for a non-existent number. It may seem trivial today but it was very profound when the Islamic Mathematical Scholars first developed it.

274 posted on 11/30/2001 3:55:16 PM PST by pcl
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To: Patria One
My education is on going, I learn something new every day-some good some bad, all interesting.
275 posted on 11/30/2001 4:06:31 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell
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To: cake_crumb
Just visit the thread and scroll down to # 180-JoJo is more a three ring circus than a mere clown.
276 posted on 11/30/2001 4:11:48 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell
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To: pcl
Garbage.

Not the importance of Zero to mathematics... but the idea that islamic mathemeticians "invented" the concept of zero or it's function in mathematics. Zero as we know it was an invention of the *Hindus* in India about 200AD - it was introduced to the arab culture from india.

277 posted on 11/30/2001 6:05:29 PM PST by SarahW
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To: SarahW
Zero as we know it was an invention of the *Hindus* in India about 200AD

Okay, if you say so. You sound pretty sure of yourself thus you are probably right.

278 posted on 11/30/2001 6:29:52 PM PST by pcl
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To: EclipseVI
Well, apparently many Islamic countries do not interpret the Qu'ran the same as these quotes you supply. Legalized death sentences exist for those who convert from Islam (Saudi Arabia) or those who speak ill of Mohommed or the Qu'ran (Pakistan).
279 posted on 11/30/2001 6:46:41 PM PST by patriot5186
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To: patriot5186
Well, apparently many Islamic countries do not interpret the Qu'ran the same as these quotes you supply. Legalized death sentences exist for those who convert from Islam (Saudi Arabia) or those who speak ill of Mohommed or the Qu'ran (Pakistan).

Sir, please provide your evidence.

280 posted on 11/30/2001 7:14:00 PM PST by EclipseVI
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