Posted on 11/29/2001 10:30:57 AM PST by EclipseVI
And you are missing the point that the bible explicitly states that through one man sin entered the world. For all have sinned.
God's mercy and forgiveness are abundantly shown in that while we were yet sinners He gave His only Son for us. But if you don't accept the Son you also can't receive the forgiveness.
God operates according to a strict covenent. Once He makes it He won't break it. The covenant He made with mankind is that only a live can redeem a life. Since the wages of sin are death, once someone sins they are counted as dead to Him. Only another death can restore them. So God gave the Israelites animal sacrifice to pay for their sins. But they couldn't even live up to that law. Then God gave His Son as the perfect sacrifice, once and for all. But if we don't accept that sacrifice as payment for our sin then we are still in our sin and are dead to God.
The mohammedans refuse to accept Christ's payment for their sins. They are dead to God and the Father weeps over them.
GSA(P)
Islam doesn't practice blood sacrifice as they believe that "God neither eats nor is He fed".. The do not domesticate God. Man needs God. not the other way around.
I have always thought that God must have had some plan for the Jews and the Arabs as well as the Christians.
Sad but true. They cannot sacrifice to cleanse themselves of sin according to the law and they do not accept Jesus' payment of their debt according to grace. They don't have any other options. No man comes to the Father except through Christ.
God does have a plan for the Jews and the Arabs. He planned (and plans) for them to accept His son and become His children. Unfortunately so far they have refused to do that.
GSA(P)
It took more than a millenium before any serious challenge to that concept came forward, with the Reformation..." More churches. This is why some of our friends say, "I atten a Lutheran Church."
A church is a social institution that promulgates a particular religious doctrine. Similarly, --- and please do not read any kind of insult here, none intended --- a coroporation is a social institution that produced a good or a service. A family is social institution, endemic not to humans only, for procreation of species.
This is different from the religion iteslf, which is a system of values, rules, notions, etc. The distinction here is similar to that of "mathematics" and "Mathematics Department" at a university. The former is a body of knowledge, and the latter, of course, is a social insitution for the promulgation thereof.
Now, And one of the BIGGEST arguments, at least according to my own inquiries into the matter, seem to turn on the question of "what is PURE Islam?"
is a theological question. That is, it concerns with religion. Suppose there are three answers: A, B, and C. Those who follow these interpretations will form "A Church," "B Church," and "C Church," respectively. Each of them will believe that their is PURE Islam. This is what seems to have happened in Christianity, Judaism, and Muhammedism.
I know the feeling. Have you gotten used to the "variations" of "I" and "me?" Or "who" and "whom?" I am just curious.
The answer to that question is a yes.. that makes them NOT a Christian.. if you don't believe Jesus is God, then you are not a Christian.
Anti-Islamic people often use the following verses to justify the stereotype that Islam is a religion of violence and intolerance, which was spread by the sword. The explanations here were aided by Abdullah Yusuf Ali's commentary on the Holy Quran.
Sura 8.12 "Remember thy lord has inspired the angels with the message. Give firmness to the believers and instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite the fingertips of them."
Sura 9.5 "When the sacred months have passed, kill the idolaters whereever you find them."
Sura 47.4 "When you encounter the unbelievers, Strike off their heads. Untill you have made a wide slaughter among them tie up the remaining captives."
Sura 8 is about a BATTLE - the Battle of Badr - not just some daily affair. A battles take two side to occur. Are you under the impression that while these 'horrid' Muslims were fighting, the enemies were simply standing there like good little peaceful men?
Sura 47 was revealed during the first year of Hijrah when the Muslims were under *threat of extinction* by invasion from Makkah.
Sura 9 is interesting. Non-Muslims almost invariably quote verse 5 but leave out verse 4 and 6. Why? Because verse 4 says, "But the treatires are not dissolved with those Pagans with whom you have entered into alliance and who have you subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill your engagements with them to the end of their term: for God Loves the righteous."
And verse 6 says, "If one among the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him so that he may hear the Word of God; and then escort him to where he can be secure."
So basically what has been done above is:
1. The background to each sura was shown. One cannot take a verse revealed for a battle and insist it is if for the daily affairs of Muslims.
2. It was shown how Non-muslims who wish to attack Islam, conveniently leave out verses before and after their quoted verse. Above, I have shown only one of the many examples.
This long list of verses from the Holy Quran and the Traditions of Prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him) show that Islam at it's core and at its source is a religion of peace. Terrorists who persecute innocent people because of their faith are not welcome - their use of Islam as a scapegoat, does not make Islam what they portray it to be.
2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing.
16:82 But if they turn away from you, (O Prophet remember that) your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message (entrusted to you).
6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you (of your own choice) a guardian over them.
4:79, 80 (Say to everyone of them,) 'Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have (O Prophet) sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper."
11:28 (Noah to his people) He (Noah) said "O my people! think over it! If 1 act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?
17:53, 54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner (unto those who do not share their beliefs). Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe .... Hence, We have not sent you (Unto men O Prophet) with power to determine their Faith.
21:107 to 109 (O Prophet?) 'We have not sent you except to be a mercy to all mankind:" Declare, "Verily, what is revealed to me is this, your God is the only One God, so is it not up to you to bow down to Him?' But if they turn away then say, "I have delivered the Truth in a manner clear to one and all, and I know not whether the promised hour (of Judgment) is near or far."
22:67 To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites (of prayer) which they observe; therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord (since that is the main objective of religion). You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, (then say,) `God best knows (the value of) what you do."
88:21, 22; also see 24:54 And so, (O Prophet!) exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.
48:28 He it is Who has sent forth His Messenger with the (task of spreading) Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to the end that tie make it prevail over every (false) religion, and none can bear witness to the Truth as God does.
36:16, 17 (Three Messengers to their people)Said (the Messengers), "Our Sustainer knows that we have indeed been sent unto you, but we are not bound to more than clearly deliver the Message entrusted to us.
39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.
42:6, 48 And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch. Mark, you are not a keeper over them. But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach ....
64:12 Obey God then and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away (no blame shall attach to our Messenger), for the duty of Our Messenger is just to deliver the message.
67:25, 26 And they ask, "When shall the promise be fulfilled if you speak the Truth?" Say, "The knowledge of it is verily with God alone, and verily I am but a plain warner."
60:8 Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.
60:9 Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.
The teachings of the Prophet on how you and I should treat our Non-Muslim friends and neighbours on a day to day basis as well as how to government should treat a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state.
"He who believes in God and the Last Day should honour his guest, should not harm his neighbour, should speak good or keep quiet." (Bukhari, Muslim)
"Whoever hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys God." (Bukhari)
"He who hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state, I am his adversary, and I shall be his adversary on the Day of a Judgement." (Bukhari)
"Beware on the Day of Judgement; I shall mysefl be complainant against him who wrongs a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state or lays on him a responsibility greater than he can bear or deprives him of anything that belongs to him." (Al-Mawardi)
"Anyone who kills a Non-Muslim who had become our ally will not smell the fragrance of Paradise." (Bukhari)
That invention is the place value system of counting and the concept of of "0" to stand in for a non-existent number. It may seem trivial today but it was very profound when the Islamic Mathematical Scholars first developed it.
Not the importance of Zero to mathematics... but the idea that islamic mathemeticians "invented" the concept of zero or it's function in mathematics. Zero as we know it was an invention of the *Hindus* in India about 200AD - it was introduced to the arab culture from india.
Okay, if you say so. You sound pretty sure of yourself thus you are probably right.
Sir, please provide your evidence.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.