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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.

We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.

We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.

The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.

The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.

We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.

Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.

I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.

There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.

Thanks,

Jim


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To: conservonator
The Orthodox Presbyterian (formerly Uriel1975) I wonderd where you went. 392 posted on 11/28/01 9:57 PM Pacific by conservonator

Fellow Knox-ian... It fits, no??

401 posted on 11/28/2001 8:59:44 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: who knows what evil?
Besides, if Free Republic goes down, who's going to keep an eye on Hillary? :-)

We all know it won't be Bill!

402 posted on 11/28/2001 8:59:48 PM PST by The Real Deal
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
I LOVE Free Republic!!!!!!!
I LOVE Free Republic!!!!!!!
I LOVE Free Republic!!!!!!!
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I LOVE Free Republic!!!!!!!
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I LOVE Free Republic!!!!!!!
I LOVE Free Republic!!!!!!!
403 posted on 11/28/2001 8:59:59 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: Captainpaintball
CHECK HERE:
FReepStuff

405 posted on 11/28/2001 9:01:04 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: Jim Robinson; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Against my wishes Socks C. just deposited $100.

I was going to Tahoe this weekend and get you some REAL money. Now I can't. Damn cat!!!

406 posted on 11/28/2001 9:01:21 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: Notwithstanding
Your policy is reasonable when applied to organizations which claim to be giving funds or services to the needy, or other non-profits where you aren't getting any personal benefit from donating. However, since you're here and posting and saying you love this site, obviously you are getting something you value. If you go ahead and make a contribution to help continue the site, you're just paying for what you've already gotten. No way you can get cheated; the goods have already been delivered and you've already accepted and used them. Please pay.
407 posted on 11/28/2001 9:01:24 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Jim Robinson
I hope you keep the sight. I want you to. There are always going to be detractors in anything you do, especially dealing with the public. You have provided a wonderful forum and, speaking for myself, a wonderful place to learn things that otherwise may go unnoticed or unlearned. Thanks to all who help with the website and specifically JimRob and JohnRob.
408 posted on 11/28/2001 9:01:30 PM PST by freedom4ever
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To: Jim Robinson
Is there a paypal link. I will be happy to send a donation.
409 posted on 11/28/2001 9:01:36 PM PST by gogov
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To: Bob J
Nice dodge. Where is the money for the radio network coming from? Nothing wrong with Mexican food is it beneath you?
410 posted on 11/28/2001 9:02:05 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: Sabertooth
FR is the best archive of news, official and unoffical on the web, period. It is an excellent alternative entertainment option to the mindless TV wasteland. Some of the people here are stinkers, many are gems. I don't agree with some of what and who is banned, but it would have to ban alot more articles and people than it does though before I would consider it a fraud. The only thing that scares me here are some of the jingoists that have crept in since 9-11, their willingness to ignore the Constitution and rule of law, or twist it to their ends, to get the end they want is a little too naziesque for me.
411 posted on 11/28/2001 9:02:45 PM PST by Free Vulcan
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To: A.J.Armitage
If FR is so bad, why do you stay? (I'm not flaming, but really want to know)
412 posted on 11/28/2001 9:03:00 PM PST by WIMom
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To: Jim Robinson
YOU STAY RIGHT HERE AND DONT GO ANYWHERE
413 posted on 11/28/2001 9:03:00 PM PST by All-American Medic
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To: basil
Let me put in my 2 cents, I've been a constant reader and occasional poster to this board for, well today is my 4th anniversary. I was in DC for the famous impeachment rally, and I turn about 5 or 6 people on to this site a week, it seems. Free Republic fills a need, a very important one, and if it were to go away there might well be nothing to fill it.

That said, there has been a change in tone to FR in the last year or so, I call it the tinfoil craze. It used to be that this board was the only one where you could go to get the unedited raw data, as it were. Rumors, leaks, informed speculations - they formed the basis for wonderful discussions. But now the moment anyone reports anything that is out of the mainstream, there's that damn tinfoil. I do not think it is funny and I know of several new posters who quickly decided they would never post again when their first honest posting efforts were so ridiculed.

Where I am going with this is, I think FR has to survive, and this might be an opportunity to "reset" the board back to its roots. I say leave the board free, but only let paying members post. That satisfies the need to keep the information here freely accessible, while it might weed out the troublemakers as well as those who use this board as a daily chance to shoot people down.

Thats my view of it. One question I do have is whether consideration has been made to selling more advertising space on FR. Maybe I missed the memo on that one, but with this many hits, and a well defined demographic - heck, I'd advertise my company here if it was possible.

414 posted on 11/28/2001 9:03:14 PM PST by jeffo
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To: bookworm89
"OK. There's so many jokers here, I thought I'd better check. :-D"

No harm, no foul!
415 posted on 11/28/2001 9:04:16 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Fellow Knox-ian... It fits, no??

Either that or Orthodox Calvinist ;-)

416 posted on 11/28/2001 9:05:00 PM PST by conservonator
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To: Mad Dawgg
Do it now. This will all count toward state totals in the Freepathon
417 posted on 11/28/2001 9:05:14 PM PST by BADJOE
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To: TLBSHOW; MississippiMan; freeplancer; July 4th; Trailer Trash; craig_eddy; All
Those that feel there should be a monthly fee can always sign up for a monthy donation. Six of one half dozen of another.

Great point TBL. You see people, the second there is a required fee, or paying banner adds, this site goes off the non-profit status, and that would change the legal issues that this site faces big time. So for those that say they would be willing to pay a monthy fee, do it in donations.

418 posted on 11/28/2001 9:05:22 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: LJLucido
It didn't take long, did it! :)
419 posted on 11/28/2001 9:05:32 PM PST by Hildy
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To: craig_eddy
What's stopping you?
420 posted on 11/28/2001 9:06:02 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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