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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.

We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.

We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.

The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.

The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.

We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.

Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.

I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.

There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.

Thanks,

Jim


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To: Z2
No threat to you personally. The "you" in this dialog is referring to the nameless and faceless "Anti-FReeper" community. Whether you personally are involved and or whether or not the anti-freeper community is itself a criminal conspiracy, I have no idea. That will be for others to discern and decide at the appropriate time.
3,041 posted on 12/02/2001 2:13:50 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: John Robinson
After doing all that math, you may be in need of some female companionship.


3,042 posted on 12/02/2001 2:13:57 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Z2
And I thought you were the one who started this thread, inviting all this scrutiny and answering all these questions.

From the article at the top of this thread:

I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

I don't see anywhere he invites questions or says he'll answer even one. He said you could "make your accusations public."

3,043 posted on 12/02/2001 2:16:11 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Z2
Since you seem to be threatening me, this thread is evidence, so please don't delete it. Have a nice day, Jim.

Just as a matter of curiosity, do you have any idea how stupid this statement makes you look?

3,045 posted on 12/02/2001 2:17:20 PM PST by Ratatoskr
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To: monkeyshine
Oh Baby!
3,046 posted on 12/02/2001 2:20:01 PM PST by John Robinson
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To: Bob J
You must be joking or smoking weed. There was no heyday and there was no platform. Your site went into the toilet the moment you let the Afers in. They have NO desire for ANY kind of positive exchange.

Actually, the AFers were mild compared to your multiple profanity-laden posts. But, now I understand why you were so inclined. You regarded Reunion as a toilet and used it as such. Which is why I had to sanction you multiple times.

Needless to say, you did not represent FR well at all and contributed absolutely nothing to the dialog. I'm sorry to say this, but you even made the worst AFers look good by comparison.

Oh well. I understand that there's been a lot of nasty water under the bridge between you and certain AFers and it's gotten intensely personal for you. Nevertheless, I would have thought that your position at the top of FRN would have called for a more mature approach. Instead, by your borish behavior you just made the AFers seem justified in their critique. Something to think about...

Now, back to the mists I go...

3,047 posted on 12/02/2001 2:21:15 PM PST by Arator
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To: incindiary
(Remember...its just the internet, folks! Get a grip!)

And chess is just chess, but a wee bit less interesting for the average sports fan. A good board (a GOOD board) is chess as a contact sport, as you should know.

As to posting on the anti-FR spin-offs, it's not the act, but the content. Within the microcosm , judge and be judged. NO DOUBLE STANDARDS!

Again, as you should know.

3,048 posted on 12/02/2001 2:22:36 PM PST by alcuin
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To: John Robinson
Thanks John. - This is the kind of info we all need in order to get this site on some sort of a firm financial footing.

Hmmm, lets see 6800 nickles is 3400 dimes = $340 bucks, less $100 PTD.... I owe you guys $240.oo

If I'm still here in a few weeks, and the playing field isn't too tilted, the check will be in the mail. -- Trust me. --- And I'll trust you.

3,049 posted on 12/02/2001 2:23:29 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Arator
6.
3,050 posted on 12/02/2001 2:24:54 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Arator
I have come to believe you are insane or have deep psychological problems

Go start you own web-site.

Oh, that's right. Been there and done that. Failure.

YOU WILL NEVER GET FREE REPUBLIC TO BEND TO YOUR WILL.

Take a hike

3,051 posted on 12/02/2001 2:25:01 PM PST by JZoback
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To: John Robinson
If I had a baby that looked like that...


3,052 posted on 12/02/2001 2:25:56 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Arator
Those mists are pretty vaporous, eh?
3,053 posted on 12/02/2001 2:29:00 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Howlin; Jim Robinson
(SNIP)

Not saying that I am willing to answer every question you may have, but I will answer all I can.

1780 posted on 11/29/01 3:27 PM Pacific by Jim Robinson

3,054 posted on 12/02/2001 2:29:34 PM PST by Z2
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To: Z2
Has Free Republic ever employed a display board at CPAC and elsewhere purporting to represent its "Nonprofit Corporations?"

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the

Commmunist Workers Party?
The Klan?
Skull & Bones?
The Boy Scouts?
Book of the Month Club?
The Y? A carpool?
AAA
or even AA?

What was the result of your HIV test last time?

3,055 posted on 12/02/2001 2:32:07 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Jim Robinson
I am a newbie but I love this site and I have the deepest respect for both Robinsons. I remember the site "went down" not to long ago and the Robinsons worked long and hard to restore the site to working order...they also kept in touch with us on a Yahoo FreeRepublic page...keeping us informed as to what was wrong and guessing how long it would be and they were cheerful with us...keeping our spirits up while we waited and stewed about it. I have contacted BadJoe to make arrangements for a contribution and I will gladly donate when I can at other times. I have met alot of nice people here in a short time. Thanks to the Robinsons for all they do.
3,056 posted on 12/02/2001 2:33:57 PM PST by ruoflaw
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To: Z2
And you've gone way past what MOST people would have done.

But those cards and letters just keep on coming!

3,057 posted on 12/02/2001 2:34:29 PM PST by Howlin
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To: alcuin
As to posting on the anti-FR spin-offs, it's not the act, but the content. Within the microcosm , judge and be judged

I agree. That's why everyone who posts on those sites shouldn't be lumped in together as an 'eschoir' or a 'mojo'.

3,058 posted on 12/02/2001 2:35:05 PM PST by incindiary
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, they are dedicated to their task. All day long, seven days a week, holidays included. I believe some of them are about to earn their three year anti-FReeper badges. Wonder if they earn retirement pay at twenty years.

LMAOROF

What I mean is, they are total idiots and have no life!

3,059 posted on 12/02/2001 2:35:10 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Z2; Howlin; Jim Robinson; John Robinson
threatening me, this thread is evidence

Basic reading comprehension of the English language is required for intelligent posting on FreeRepublic.

Maybe that is why you were kicked out.

Jim Rob threatening you on this thread? Oh, please. Why anyone (including myself) ever would take the time to answer one of your ridiculous comments is what should be questioned. I repent.

3,060 posted on 12/02/2001 2:35:23 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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