Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?

Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.

We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.

We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.

The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.

The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.

We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.

Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.

I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.

There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.

Thanks,

Jim

[Howlin]

227 words @ $1.00 a word; pay up.

[Howlin]

The best thing is to start your own forum, be creative, get some ba//s, try it on your own.

Oh, they've already DONE that; the only problem is, they have to watch FR and copy and paste from HERE over to there so they'll have something to carp about over there.

[Miss Marple]

Jethro,

Trying for a little logic here...why do you think that abuse button is there? Do you think Jim has time to read every post on this forum? How is he to know there is an abuse if there is no report..Miss Cleo?

If I were a REAL snitch, I would have reported the many abusive private replies I have received. I have not done so.

The permanant banning of Arator was not due to my report. He incurred a temporary banning due to something I reported, and was then reinstated. I am unaware of why he was permanently banned...perhaps that is explained in a previous reply on this thread, but I haven't read the entire thread. However, because I informed him that I had hit the abuse button in that instance, I am the person he has fixated on as the reason for his ban.

If I were one who pulled the trigger on everyone I disagreed with, have you never wondered why YOU are still here? Logic, logic!

I am glad you approve of the President's handling of the war. I believe eventually you will approve of some other things as well. (Feel free to discount that as optimism from the Head Bushie Cheerleader. LOL!)

Regards,
Miss Marple

[Isaiah Lucifer]

See, now you have made my point. Your type just comes out of the woodwork to post nothing helpful, only garbage. Any opinion that is not aligned with your opinion prompts a post by you - you are simply taking up space.

[Isaiah Lucifer]

Actually, I'm not leaving, no until you leave with you mindless posts, taking up space.

[Isaiah Lucifer]

There is no free lunch, as Robinson is trying to tell your type, so some standard needs to be established or Jim will go out of business just like the other dot coms.

[Jim Robinson]

Well Free Republic is just a group of people who joined together to discuss the news and to engage in activism projects. FR was just a personal thing when it started. It was not a business and not a charity and was never intended to be. It was only when it grew to the point that I could no longer fund it myself that the participants decided to chip in and send money to pay for the resources. They did this on their own. Then along came the WP/LAT and threatened to sue. We decided that what we were doing as a group was important enough that we would not knuckle under to their demands and that we would tough it out. The members decided to not only continue funding the expenses of the website, but also to fund the defense of the lawsuit. Then, I decided that we should probably incorporate to have some limited liability if others decided to file suit. The filing was not for the purposes of running a business. We are still just a group of people who are joined together to discuss politics and the news, etc. True, we attempted to file as a 501(C), but for various reasons that plan was abandoned. If some state agency wants to contact me and tell me that I am doing something contrary to their regulations, then I am perfectly willing to do whatever it takes to file or whatever to their satisfaction. Until that happens, I'm not worried about it. Thank you for your concern.

[Isaiah Lucifer]

You post is good advice and worth the space.

[Fiddlstix]

My Lord! Is this thread still going??
Amazing!

[Arator]

Here's one more FReeper's story. He can't post it here himself, so he asked me to do it.

I've been monitoring FR, but I've been banned as well.

I was summarily banned. I got not so much as a notice of why, or the duration of my banishment. All my posts were removed. I can't send mail, or post to my locale. So I'm angry to say the least.

I see that you have been reinstated to address the tyranny of FR. Well I feel that tyranny all too acutely. It disgusts me the amount of vile anti-Freedom that has cropped up on FR. We have people calling for torture, secret police, and star chambers and I have been banned? I know I never advocated such tyrannical measures. Come to think of it, my banishment is torturous, was carried out by a secret squad, and involved a quick, unappealable judgement.

The only thing I have ever advocated is people trying to freely live their lives based on cooperation with others, not coercion. I would like to continue to post my thoughts and learn from others as I once was able to do. But I would not want this privilege if with it comes acceptance that I could find myself banished in the same manner again. The rule of law seems as absent from FR as it is in our country. I hope that both change for the better.

Sincerely,

amundsen

No need for me to add further commment. This speaks for itself.

[Inspector Harry Callahan]

Thanks for posting that. It speaks for itself indeed.

[Jethro Tull]

"Trying for a little logic here...why do you think that abuse button is there?"

Dear Miss Marple, about the abuse button (again)....

I'd hit it if some clod posted an x-rated picture or made a racist slur. There might be one or two other reasons to alert JR, but I can't think of them at the moment.

But to the point, when someone reports someone else because of what they posted,,,well,,,,that's political protectionism at it's worst.

[Isaiah Lucifer]

You are example #1, so how much to to owe Jim, just for today?

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[Inspector Harry Callahan]

To: aligyrl-02

Lived in the real world, as I do now

Ah, yes......your "real" world. I've seen it. Weird. Why do you watch FR and then post over there about what people are saying on FR? Care to explain that? If you hate FR and Jim so much, why bother?

And, of course, if you look real close you'll see days where I hardly post at all. But, then, that wouldn't fit your specious theory, would it?

367 Posted on 08/03/2001 14:28:23 PDT by Howlin
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ROFL!! You just looked on the "wrong day". HAHAHAHAHA!!

[Howlin]

What's YOUR point?

[Howlin]

Geez, you guys are pathetic. You're working tandem now?

Harry, you need to get a life, really.

Why would you even want to be on a place where you're not wanted?

But didn't you say you WERE leaving? How many posts ago was that?

[Howlin]

You've been here two days and you know an awful lot about FR. If I didn't know better, I'd say you were a disruptor, i.e., a liar.

And just so you'll know, I pay more than my share.......so jerks like you, who I'd bet never donated one dime here, whoever you were before, can come on here and post stuff like that.

[Inspector Harry Callahan]

Hey Howlin, where'd all the PTBs go? It is strange enough not having the censorship gang working this thread, removing posts at a blistering pace. But to have the FABsters jump ship as well is REALLY strange.

Any ideas?

[Jim Robinson]

Who threatend to close up shop? All I did was repeat what some of you are claiming and asked the FReepers if they agreed. If Free Republic is a fraud and or is no longer needed, then it should be shut down. Thought we might as well get it out in the open and find out. Looks like the overwhelming majority feel that we should continue. I am determined to do whatever it takes to keep the site running. Thanks for your concern.