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To: OKCSubmariner
Are you trying to tell us in reply #198 that what we did not know (or now still do not know) won't hurt us?

Nope. I'm telling you that if someone makes a product to prevent something, that there is a reason for it. Do you think it's only our government that spys on us? Or are they spying on those that spy on us? If that happens aren't they spying on us by default? Do agents get overzealous? Are some of them corrupt, or working as double agents? You bet, all these things and more occur. So even if our government stayed out of it all together, would you be safe? Nope.

Hence the ultimate responsibility for your privacy is yours not the government's. We have a God given right to that, but the government can't, nor has it ever been able to protect that for the individual. In short it is and always has been up to you.

Are we to trust bureaucrats in the the government who say what they are doing is alright because they tell us they are in the government and know what is best??

Nope. Government is the absolute worst way to do anything, they never know best, and they amplify the faults of the men that populate them.

When you tell us that what they have been doing has not hurt us, it does not help. In fact your reasoning makes the conduct of those in government look worse to me.

What I am saying is be aware, if someone makes a product to protect you from something, then there is a valid reason for it's existance. PGP is at least 20 years old, I knew a guy using it in 1981 on an XT for his banking transactions in the Carribean. I believe it was version 1.8 or 2.0 so it had been in existance for a while even then.

It is much worse than you want us to believe because they did not tell us they were snopping on all of us innocent civilians (presumed guitly until proven innocent by their corrupt definition??)and more importantly THEY DID NOT ASK OUR PERMISSION in violation of the Constitution and our unalienable, God given rights of privacy.

The government is the least of the threats to your rights. It could really care less, unless it finds you involved in criminal activity.

Have you ever thought this out all the way? How is the government to know who is innocent, or guilty unless they monitor covertly? It's common sense, really! If they are required to alert a "suspect"(whoops that would mean they had already monitored him somehow) that they are going to be monitoring him. What would happen? Nothing, unless he is incredibly stupid. No, it's a given, they must snoop somehow, someway, to determine innocence or guilt. Hopefully, they do so without malice, or motives other than catching bad guys, but that is not always the case, as we live in a world of Freewill with Satan seeking to devour any and all he can.

Thank you for your prayer, it has already been answered, and is daily, no need to wait for Christmas, or even tomorrow. Put your trust in God, he's the only one that is deserving of it, all others are fickle at best, including yourself.

202 posted on 12/15/2001 10:15:55 AM PST by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
The government is the least of the threats to your rights. It could really care less, unless it finds you involved in criminal activity.

You seem to be intelligent and informed, but this statement make me want to say, "You must be new here."

203 posted on 12/15/2001 10:24:24 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
Hence the ultimate responsibility for your privacy is yours not the government's.

We have a God given right to that, but the government can't, nor has it ever been able to protect that for the individual.

In short it is and always has been up to you.

Very well said.

Also well beyond the comprehension level of most of those here ...

(NOTE that most of those grousing here in this thread are the SAME ones who ADVOCATE the exercise of their Second Amendment rights for their personal safety YET they will sit like ducks and NOT make use of privacy software like PGP ...)


207 posted on 12/15/2001 12:03:24 PM PST by _Jim
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