[Uncle Sham]

Where does the "right to be free" come from? If it comes from mankind, then there is no such right. If the right to be free comes from God (mine or yours), what good is it if man controls the issue of life and death? If someone else can decide whether you live or die or even whether you get the chance to be born, YOU certainly are not "free". All I'm saying here is that the issue of when life begins is not for mankind to decide, or control. If man is in control of life and death, how is it that a perfectly normal, physically fit married couple could go years attempting to have a baby without success? There must be someone else making these decisions don't you think?

[Torie]

There must be someone else making these decisions don't you think?

No. You still trying to play that ineffectual trump card. It won't work in the public square on this issue. I make certain a priori assumptions, but not on this matter really, and a decided majority don't either. Your argumentative strategy is simply doomed to failure. It will persuade none that are not already a part of the choir.