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Thanks Mary Ann. Don't worry I always stay close to the faith. I believe very strongly in the value system and the basic good that value system can mean for people. What I don't believe in are the more mystical aspects (could also be related to finding out just how bogus the occult is, once you work your way through debunking one brand of spiritualism). Except for the actually going to church and praying and stuff I'm right there with the Christian duties (my Christian Coalition coworker (who's the guy that turned me onto FR) says I score better on their Christian Values test than a lot of folks in Congress that claim to have the faith, it's one of our points of humor) of kindness, charity, loyalty, honor (you know, 7 out of the 10 commandments). And I still care about the faith and I'm with you guys on a lot of issues (the ACLU censorship things make my blood boil).

Stay well, I'm with you.
Joe

Thanks Mary Ann. Don't worry I always stay close to the faith. I believe very strongly in the value system and the basic good that value system can mean for people. What I don't believe in are the more mystical aspects (could also be related to finding out just how bogus the occult is, once you work your way through debunking one brand of spiritualism). Except for the actually going to church and praying and stuff I'm right there with the Christian duties (my Christian Coalition coworker (who's the guy that turned me onto FR) says I score better on their Christian Values test than a lot of folks in Congress that claim to have the faith, it's one of our points of humor) of kindness, charity, loyalty, honor (you know, 7 out of the 10 commandments). And I still care about the faith and I'm with you guys on a lot of issues (the ACLU censorship things make my blood boil). Stay well, I'm with you. Joe

Joe, I care enough about you to tell you the truth..if you died tonight,unless you have come to the cross you would not go to heaven.I do not say that to be unkind or hurtful..but it is what the bible tells us..

We do not go to heaven because we are nice people,or good people,or because we deserve it..

We are so full of sin that the only way for God to allow us into His Holy Sinless presence was for Him to come down here in person and to pay the price for our sins Himself.The Bible tells us that we are all sinners ,and when God looks down on us He see filthy rags filled with a womans monthly discharge..rags covered with the pus of lepers.

So I could be very nice in a worldly kind of way and tell you as your friend did that you are "better" than some of the coalition men he knows .....but the one difference may be that when God looks at those men He sees the blood of His Son covering their filth...unless you have confessed your sins and sought the forgivness of Christ..and unless you have acknowleged your need for a Savior..and asked Christ into your heart..it will not matter one bit how "nice" you are.

Contrary to "popular" opinion here...I do not see myself as some "special" person.....but as I am a filthy rag pulled from the fire by Jesus Christ.....one that needs Him daily..to love and forgive her...

Your a neat guy Joe. I just bet you do score higher than a lot of self professed Christians who go to Church on Sunday,..and sin til Saturday :o)

You sound like a "true" Christian in the most sincerest sense to me. At least you come across as a caring nonjudgemental person. And I'll take you over a 1000 button wearing Christians that don't "get it". Who snub others and talk the talk.. but don't walk the walk.

Great to meet ya Joe.. God Bless!! Mary Ann