Posted on 11/23/2001 7:18:23 AM PST by RealGem
But you keep dredging them up, so maybe you could explain what relevance they have to the World Trade Center atrocities and the AlQaeda-led Islamic war against humanity?
kangharue:
The problem with the Islamic world is that have too many anti-thinking/anti-intellectual type people like you running the show. Can you imagine the state of the US if people such as yourself assumed absolute power? It would be a hell on earth.
In any I case I think it is a mistake to ridicule and demean another's faith in God particularly when there are more similarities than differences.
You left out Judiasm.
Sorry.Muslims call Jesus the Messiah.
Muslims respect and revere Jesus.
They consider him one of the greatest of God's prophets and messengers to humankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as "Jesus", but always adds the phrase "upon him be peace." The Qur'an confirms his virgin birth, and a special surah of the Qur'an is entitled "Mary." The Qur'an describes the Annunciation as follows:
"'Behold (O Mary!)' The Angel said, 'God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of all nations.
O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name shall be the Anointed (Masih or Messiah), Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and in the hereafter, and one of those brought near to God. He shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall be of the righteous.'
Thank you for a concise exposition of this moment in history.
Unfortunately, it does not answer the original question, "Is it possible, that the sources you site --- The Books of Acts, Chapters 1 & 2 in the New Testament for the words of Christ and the words of the apostles --- are not conclusive on this subject?"
The mere facts that:
(i) Christians read these sources for centuries without coming to the conclusion adopted at Nicea;prove that the Nicean Doctrine is not self-evident as you suggest, and does not by itself follow from the sources you sited.
(ii) it took several Councils, not one, at which the most learned members of the Church argued the matter without resolving it,
(iii) even after the Nicean Council there remained for centuries large numbers of Christians who rejected the conclusions of Nicea (of course, the Church has promptly called this descent a "sect," much like many people on this board feel freely to call any religion other than Christianity a "cult").
Observe that in your post you followed the now standard practice of reciting history and then merely declaring some fact as self-evident. I wish all matters were so simple, but...
Well, thanks at least, for being honest, and for the invite. I have no doubt about your sincerity, but I can't handle that statement about all of us being a little god. That is Hindu theology. Oh well, have a nice forever.
Later on.
How do you understand and explain these words of Jesus Christ?
"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:14
"All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him." Luke 10:22
"But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." Matthew 8:22
"When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out." Luke 13:28
This reading allows for a co-existence between Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.That's what is supposet to happen.
I just wonder which sects within Islam are most open to this view.Ignorance does not run along the lines of any sect, just like it does not in Christianity and Judaism.
Are you a Clintonoid in deep cover by any chance? You have the ethics of Billyboy.please do not revert to name calling. Go back to the playground if you must act like an immature child.
Answer his frickin' question, TURK.I am going to ignore you from now on. You have an abusive character.
Leave out the weasel words, and the "Etc, Etc," because we know from your pal Clinton, you can cover a lot of turds with those little words.
Too bad for you, we already had 8 years of a lying psychopath. To get us tuned up--for the likes of you.
You don't understand Christianity. Wherever your "understanding" of Christianity came from, it obviously is not from reading the BibleThere are those Christians to whom the status of Jesus as God is more important than His deeds and words of wisdom. Those to me are superficial Christians, but that's just me.
Any Christian who doesn't believe that might be a nice, moral, religious person, but he's not a Christian.
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