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To: lasereye
You don't understand Christianity. Wherever your "understanding" of Christianity came from, it obviously is not from reading the Bible
There are those Christians to whom the status of Jesus as God is more important than His deeds and words of wisdom. Those to me are superficial Christians, but that's just me.

My understanding of Christianity came from the Bible, and my understanding of Christians came from everyday life. The same is true of my understanding of Islam.

Most of you Christians and Muslims cling to imagery of grandure. Very few of you actually understand what's beneath the surface, the appreciation of which leads to a belief of substance.
399 posted on 11/24/2001 8:45:22 AM PST by a_Turk
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To: a_Turk
The cornerstone of our faith is Christ as God and Savior crucified and resurrected for the sins of all mankind.

Any Christian who doesn't believe that might be a nice, moral, religious person, but he's not a Christian.

400 posted on 11/24/2001 9:12:19 AM PST by freebilly
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To: a_Turk
There are those Christians to whom the status of Jesus as God is more important than His deeds and words of wisdom. Those to me are superficial Christians, but that's just me.

The central message of Christianity is salvation from Hell through belief in Jesus Christ. Jesus' deeds and words of wisdom are inseparable from the fact that he is God. He would have had no authority to say and do the things he did unless he was God. His crucifixion could not pay the price for our sins if he was not God, and that is unmistakeably the central message of the entire New Testament. His words and deeds are of no real importance if he was not God and in fact he was a liar if he was not God. If you think this is "imagery of grandeur" that's your opinion, but it's what the Bible says.

There may be Christians who believe he was God but don't take his teachings to heart. That's irrelevant. The point is, Jesus being God is the entire basis of Christianity, and without that, there's no reason to be a Christian, and Islam does not recognize Jesus as God. Your claim that "99.99% of Islam and Christianity are the same" seems to result from you coming up with your own definition of Christianity in which Jesus as Son of God is somehow dispensable.

"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John.
John 3:11-13

In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
You know the way to the place where I am going."
Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:2-6

413 posted on 11/24/2001 10:02:26 AM PST by lasereye
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To: a_Turk
There are those Christians to whom the status of Jesus as God is more important than His deeds and words of wisdom. The most important of his words and deeds have to do with his passion, death and resurrection. It is his divinity that gives meaning to them. Witness the fate of those Christian sects who have followed the route of Socinius: Unitarianism dissolves into a vague ethicalism as Reason itself is discredited, and Jesus ends up as part of a pantheon with such philosophers as Plato, Confucious, and, of course, John Lennon.
415 posted on 11/24/2001 10:18:55 AM PST by RobbyS
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