**Discussion about VP's protection on MSNBC - Brian Williams Show - Early morning PST 22 Nov 2001***

MSNBC-TV Broadcast | 22nd November 2001 | Cool Guy

[Cool Guy]

Anyone watching MSNBC? Who is this Barbara Lemming? The topic is about how the VP's location is kept a secret for his protection. This lady, Barbara Lemming is talking about how Mrs. Kennedy was courageous enough to walk along the casket of President JFK, during his funeral against the requests of the secret service. And she goes on to tell that, Mrs. Kennedy led the other world leader to shed their protection and followed her in the funeral procession.

What is she trying to say? Why the heck is that being compared to VP's current security plan? I totally lost her there. IS she implying that the VP has to stop following the current security procedure and come out in the open? Has she lost her mind?

Did I lose something here? How many of you think this lady is making sense? Or just how many disagree with the current security procedure for the VP? What do you think the VP be doing now? Should he keep his location a secret and follow the advise of the secret service or is there something else he should do?

[Cool Guy]

This could be a re-broadcast, did someone watch this sometime earlier today? Sorry for my rant, but just wondering what I am missing here.

I am also expecting a moose, bitten sister, tourist guy, all your base and a cheese remark within the first few posts.

Thanks.

[Cool Guy]

BUMP!

[backhoe]

Well, gee! The ( former ) First Lady in not in the chain of command, like the VP is! I detect a low-grade slander here- or maybe just sloppy commentary...

[StoneColdGOP]

I am also expecting a moose, bitten sister, tourist guy, all your base and a cheese remark within the first few posts.

I'm torn between:

1/This is Breaking News!

2/What a waste of bandwith!

and

3/Hey! My ping is working! YEAH BABY!!!!!

[patriciaruth]

The piece is so stupid, who cares?

However, it's always fun to talk to another insomniac. Hey, Cool Dude.

[Cool Guy]

The piece is so stupid, who cares?

Which one are you refering to here? The MSNBC show or the post here?

[newzjunkey]

I didn't see it but she's evidently dumb as a post and utterly outside any rational understanding of the difference between being a former First Lady (a "ceremonial role" at best) and the sitting Vice-President (in a time or war no less).

Smells like a low-ball smear to confuse the sheeples and "psyche" the Dems for 2002.

I could give better commentary than some of these overpaid nimrods and do it while I slept too.

[Cool Guy]

However, it's always fun to talk to another insomniac. Hey, Cool Dude

Always fun to talk with any freeper :). Hi fellow insomniac!

[Dahoser]

Why? No reason other than being just another manifestation of the sick Kennedy obsession liberals have.

[codeword]

Well, the Feds do seem to protect Cheney a whole lot more than Bush. Ever notice that? Bush is always out in the open, traveling to China, etc., while Cheney is always in some "undisclosed location." Makes me wonder who really wears the pants in this administration--i.e., who is considered the most valuable player,

[philetus]

You just wasted more telling us what a waste it was.

[Cool Guy]

Smells like a low-ball smear to confuse the sheeples and "psyche" the Dems for 2002.

Bingo. We need to catch them at their act, before they slowly confuse and mis-lead the sheeple. Do you think if we call MSNBC and ask them, they might apologise and correct it? Thanks.

[STARWISE]

I saw it .. it wasn't her opinion necessarily, Brian started the segment making the analogy .. a bit of a reach in my opinion ... about risk, and she chirped in. She made statements about how the security of the country at the time of Kennedy's death was questionable .. that they didn't know who had assassinated Pres. Kennedy on that day, and what the risk was to us and our government.

On the day of the funeral, Jackie Kennedy was adamant in her choice to walk behind the President's casket in the funeral procession, even though the Secret Service was just as adamant that she not because of the risk.

She continued that when Gen. Charles deGaulle was told by our Sec. of State, Dean Rusk, that he absolutely could not walk behind the casket during the funeral procession, because it was too risky .. Gen. deGaulle asked "What's Mrs. Kennedy doing?" When he was told that she was walking in the procession, he said then he would be too. And every head of state ended up walking in the procession with her, against the Secret Services wishes.

Brian was trying to make the analogy somehow that this time now was reminiscent of the time after Kennedy's death, and she concurred that just as Jackie Kennedy showed such courage in the face of unknown risk, that that's the message for us now. Personally, I kinda think it was a stretch, and she was on to plug her book, and Brian gave her the opening. She did have details I've never heard before about the time when Jackie was with the President at the hospital, and the high state of alert, with a Secret Service agent right there in the operating room with her and the attending physician, with his gun cocked, anticipating someone coming in to kill her.

[StoneColdGOP]

Need I point out what a waste it is for you to point that out to me?

Well I just did. What a waste...

[Ymani Cricket]

I don't have cable or satellite so I have no idea. I do remember a couple weeks ago an ad on my local channel about a story they were going to do where they were going to show the bunker (or a similar bunker)where the VP was in and do a whole story on bunkers in general and how we protect our leaders. I thought it was very irresponsible to do something like that and I never followed up to watch the segment.

If the media shows the enemy how we hide our leaders...what can you say for them? Free speech? Is treason covered under free speech too? Well, anyway, i don't know what your post is about but i thought i'd chime in on what i think you MAY be talking about.

[newzjunkey]

The only Barbara Lemming I've found online is a biographer of Roman Polanski. The book is ranked 919,562 in sales at Amazon.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Well, the Feds do seem to protect Cheney a whole lot more than Bush.

The President needs to be seen in public because he is the nation's leader. The location of the VP is kept secret so that they can't both be killed at the same time. Is there some particular reason that you want it to be easier to kill them both?

[codeword]

In resent the implication.

[Cool Guy]

Well, the Feds do seem to protect Cheney a whole lot more than Bush. Ever notice that? Bush is always out in the open, traveling to China, etc., while Cheney is always in some "undisclosed location." Makes me wonder who really wears the pants in this administration--i.e., who is considered the most valuable player,

I am sure President Bush has enough protection anywhere he goes. I disagree with you about the who is considered the MVP. In a team like this, every player is valuable. The Presidnet has to be in the open and show that things are fine, even if they are not, to instill confidence in the public to go about in their everyday activity. The president plays the role of the CEO, while the VP has to play the role of a VP in an organisation and get a lot of leg work done. This government does not want to disrupt our daily life, in our pursuit of happiness, while they go about their duty of providing a safe environment. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

[codeword]

I also think that Cheney plays a much bigger role than the ordinary VP in devising administration policy and strategy.