Posted on 11/21/2001 6:06:07 AM PST by aomagrat
SUMMERVILLE (AP) (--) The Dorchester County Library Board is on the front lines of a fight to put a book refuting current history written about the Civil War on its shelves.
"The South Was Right!," written by Sons of Confederate Veterans members and brothers James Ronald Kennedy and Walter Donald Kennedy of Louisiana, states the Confederacy had the right to be a free nation and most of what is taught in this country is false and misleading.
A crowd of about 50 people, mostly members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans in St. George and Moncks Corner, pleaded for the board to approve the book Tuesday night.
Library director Mickey Prim is reviewing the book and is expected to make a recommendation to the board in about two or three weeks.
St. George resident Laren Clark said she tried six months ago to donate the book the county library but was told the title was too inflammatory.
"There is no reason for this book to not be in the library," said St. George resident Charles Moorer.
But board chairman Jim Neil asked the group if upon approval, there would be any objection to it being placed at the Summerville branch instead of the main library in St. George because of a space shortage.
Several audience members offered to supply shelves.
"Since high school, I've been in double-digit fistfights, sometimes 2 or more going against me at once (needless to say, I lost - LOL), once going alone into a dark area in a large town to break up what I don't know what was going on, all I know is there was one woman screaming and about 5 guys. I'm not brave all the time, but I've had my moments. My guess is that most people whove been in the service haven't been roughed up as much as I have in the last 19 years."
I'm guessing you're all bark.....and no bite, tuff-guy.
No I'm not
Look fella', I think reparations is just about the most inane idea I've every heard of. The point is your argument is just as inane.
Someone points out your history of human rights violations and you plead that every country makes mistakes and yada, yada, yada... but you refuse to ever allow that argument in defense of the south. The union was around for a while ya' know. Yet you blast every statement made by southern politicians forming a new government during a time of war. How do you know they could not have corrected the mistakes they made?
This point here is, every lame argument you use against the South can be used just as effectively against the North and the country as a whole. When we fight the battle to maintain our heritage were are preserving yours also and you are not very grateful either.
You are in bed with the liberals and you are spouting the liberal line of PC garbage.
Don't believe me, hold you own well advertised "BAN THE BATTLE FLAG" rally and see how many dems and God only knows what else shows up. Here is a tip that will save you some time, there's no need to check Sharpton and Jackson's party affiliation, they are liberal dems in case you have forgotten.
You just keep siding with them and your heritage will be next.
Exactly what part of the constitution was breached? Please be specific.
Every day you southerners start several threads bashing people who aren't southerners. Where did I say I was a tough guy? I was making the point that you don't have to be in the army to be in physically dangerous situations.
I'm guessing you're all bark.....and no bite, tuff-guy.
All bark? Where have I barked?
What point? That the Southern States seceded for slavery? Read South Carolina's Declaration of Secession if you don't believe me.
Someone points out your history of human rights violations and you plead that every country makes mistakes and yada, yada, yada... but you refuse to ever allow that argument in defense of the south.
Because you guys won't admit your mistake, you say the South was right. They vowed to perpetuate slavery, they were wrong.
The union was around for a while ya' know. Yet you blast every statement made by southern politicians forming a new government during a time of war. How do you know they could not have corrected the mistakes they made?
They weren't statements, they were Declarations. They declared that they seceded for slavery.
This point here is, every lame argument you use against the South can be used just as effectively against the North and the country as a whole.
Show me in the Declaration of Independence that we broke off from England for slavery.
When we fight the battle to maintain our heritage were are preserving yours also and you are not very grateful either.
My heritage is not the perpetuation of slavery.
You are in bed with the liberals and you are spouting the liberal line of PC garbage.
That it's wrong to secede for slavery? Whatever dude.
Don't believe me, hold you own well advertised "BAN THE BATTLE FLAG" rally and see how many dems and God only knows what else shows up.
I like the Confederate flag. We should always learn from mistakes though and not be afraid of the truth.
Here is a tip that will save you some time, there's no need to check Sharpton and Jackson's party affiliation, they are liberal dems in case you have forgotten. You just keep siding with them and your heritage will be next
Tell me the issue that I side with Jackson and Sharpton.
Forming Confederacies.
I do not read it like that. There are some pro and anti slavery statements in the South and in the new constitution.. Slavery was wrong, but it was a huge problem that was going to be dealt with eventually, It had been going on for some time. The North did not get religion over night, denounce slavery and declare war to free the slaves. You don't believe that fairy tale do you? However Sharpton and Jackson would agree with you.
They weren't statements, they were Declarations. They declared that they seceded for slavery.
No, they didn't, they seceded so they could determine that issue and many more for themselves. However Sharpton and Jackson would be on your side.
Show me in the Declaration of Independence that we broke off from England for slavery.
We broke from England for the same reason the South did, to end oppressive rule by an unreasonable centralized Federal government. Here again Sharpton, Jackson and most liberals see it the same as you.
My heritage is not the perpetuation of slavery.
Mine either, it's a struggle for state's rights, but your new bud Sharpton still thinks that perpetuation of slavery is my heritage because I wish to fly the Confederate Flag and offer alternative history books.
That it's wrong to secede for slavery? Whatever dude.
If the south had freed all the slaves first, we could have gone in peace? If the answer is no....then slavery was not the defining issue. Jackson's on your side so your okay.
I like the Confederate flag. We should always learn from mistakes though and not be afraid of the truth.
It is not the truth I am afraid of, it is the revisions that come with some versions. You may like the look of the flag (it is cool looking huh?) but you do not like my right to fly it.
Tell me the issue that I side with Jackson and Sharpton.
I did that above already, any attack on the Confederacy and you will find a willing ally.
Exactly what part of the constitution was breached? Please be specific.... "Forming Confederacies."
Chapter and verse?
Quote an official anti-slavery document from the South.
Slavery was wrong, but it was a huge problem that was going to be dealt with eventually, It had been going on for some time.
The North was ramping slavery down, the South vowed they would never ramp it down.
The North did not get religion over night, denounce slavery and declare war to free the slaves.
No not overnight, they had been ramping it down for some time.
You don't believe that fairy tale do you? However Sharpton and Jackson would agree with you.
Sharpton and Jackson agree the sky is blue. Does that mean the sky isn't blue?
No, they didn't, they seceded so they could determine that issue and many more for themselves. However Sharpton and Jackson would be on your side.
They said very plainly that they want to make it clear that slavery is the reason. Sharpton and Jackson don't want to be owned by you.
We broke from England for the same reason the South did, to end oppressive rule by an unreasonable centralized Federal government.
Wrong. We had a Constitution, England didn't. South Carolina's Declaration of Secession makes it clear that slavery was the reason.
Here again Sharpton, Jackson and most liberals see it the same as you.
They don't want to be owned by you.
Mine either, it's a struggle for state's rights, but your new bud Sharpton still thinks that perpetuation of slavery is my heritage because I wish to fly the Confederate Flag and offer alternative history books.
I don't care if you fly the flag or not. All I know is that South Carolina's Declaration of Secession makes it clear that slavery was the reason for secession. Sharpton doesn't want to be owned by you.
If the south had freed all the slaves first, we could have gone in peace?
As South Carolina's Declaration of Secession says, if they would have given up slavery, there would not have been a reason to secede.
If the answer is no....then slavery was not the defining issue. Jackson's on your side so your okay.
South Carolina's Declaration of Secession says slavery was the reason. Jackson doesn't want to be owned by you.
It is not the truth I am afraid of, it is the revisions that come with some versions.
Like ignoring historical documents like Declarations of Secession?
You may like the look of the flag (it is cool looking huh?) but you do not like my right to fly it.
Fly it if you want, I don't care. I have one myself.
I did that above already, any attack on the Confederacy and you will find a willing ally.
Quotes?
Chapter and verse?
If you can't find it, you shouldn't be arguing with me.
Yes, since you are obviously the brighter mind, I shouldn't be arguing with you.
Would you please humor me and answer my hypothetical without rephrasing or redefining it?
If the south had freed all the slaves first, we could have gone in peace?
No,I said if you can't find in the Constitution where states are forbidden to form confederacies, you shouldn't.
If the south had freed all the slaves first, we could have gone in peace?
With terms of separation any state can secede. No state has ever tried a peaceful separation, though. All three attempts were basically breach of contract. Even without terms of secession, 1861 was a peaceful secession for several months until Fort Sumter. Lincoln had more patience than I would've.
Article I, Section IX
1. The importation of negroes of the African race from any foreign country other than the slaveholding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same. 2. Congress shall also have power to prohibit the introduction of slaves from any State not a member of, or Territory not belonging to, this Confederacy. The U.S. Constitution was never that explicit on the issue of slavery until the ratification of the 13th Amendment.
La-de-da. The reason the CSa forbade the importation of more slaves was to protect the investments of those who already had slaves. It was the most selfish reason imaginable.
But.......I guess you didn't have a complete copy of the CSA constitution handy:
From the Confederate Constitution: Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 4: "No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."
Article IV, Section 3, Paragraph 3: "The Confederate States may acquire newterritory . . . In all such territory, the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected byCongress and the territorial government."
Guess you forgot about these, didn't you?
Walt
Sure, if you'd ensured a fair payment of all debts incurred in the name of all. Piece of cake, right?
Walt
Hmmmm......that's interesting; but not the first confederate text book, I reckon:
"The most distinctive feature of these Confederate textbooks was their unabashed defense of slavery. Much of the impetus for educational independence had originated in fears that antislavery sentiments might creep into the Southern classrooms," wrote George Rable in his book, "Confederate Republic."
Despite shortages of ink and paper, Southerners saw education as an important element in the future of their new country. Seventy-five percent of children's books published in the Confederacy were textbooks. The South held a perception that Northern textbooks exhibited strong anti-Southern, anti-slavery bias. In an "Address to the People of North Carolina," teachers stated that Southerners must write their own textbooks to uphold their "peculiar social system."
They announced their intent not only to establish the legitimacy of slavery, but to spread the pro-slavery argument around the globe. Teachers were exempt from the draft, at least in part, because of the need for textbooks to defend Southern children from the "poisonous flood of yankee schoolbooks and literature," according to Junius in his "Conscription of Teachers," cited in Rable's book.
The few Northern textbooks that did attack slavery were all published prior to 1830, and in many cases were no longer in use. Northern texts continued to be used in the South during the war, some with cosmetic changes such as adding Confederate flags to the cover. The only mention of slavery in most Northern texts, according to James Marten's book, "The Children's War," was a reference to the laws and compromises related to slavery in America. Northern textbook publishers were sensitive to sectional issues because they did not want to jeopardize the sale of their books in the South.
The Southern misconception of Northern books, resulted in many new textbooks being used to teach Southern School children, the future of the Confederacy.
In Mirinda Moore's Confederate geography text, "Geographical Reader," she describes Africans as "slothful and vicious." The black slaves in America, the text notes, were not only better fed and clothed, but, "better instructed than in their native country."
John Rice, in his "System of Modern Geography," text, stated "Under the influence of slavery, which is the cornerstone of her governmental fabric (wonder where he got that line?) the Confederate States has just commenced a career of greatness..."
"Our Own Primary Grammar," "Confederate Spelling Book," "Southern Pictorial Primer," "Dixie Speller," and dozens of other Confederate textbooks not only promoted Southern values, they offered a reassurance of the Christian nature of slavery.
Slavery was the natural condition of the Black man, sympathy was foolish, suggested the textbooks. One elementary "reader" portrays a slave named Tom assuring his owner's young daughter that he is fit only for physical labor and is happy that his master takes care of all his needs. Moore's geography text promised that God would soon wreak vengeance upon those men who cause all this misery. "If the rulers of the United States had been good Christian men, the present war would not have come upon us..." wrote another textbook author.
Looking at Southern textbooks as evidence of the values and attitudes that Southern people sought for their children, it is hard to imagine that the end of slavery would have arrived in the South on its own. The next generation was being formally educated to accept and continue the South's "peculiar institutions."
--from the ACW moderatd newsgroup.
The South was Wrong.
Walt
The tyrants drive humanity further and further down and you bleatingly chimp at us to:
Just shut up and take it.
No thanks, you may be genetically predisposed to that; --probably bending over, but for the sons and daughters of Scottus NEVER!
So true. Sometimes it's like casting pearls before swine.
"You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place."
- Jonathan Swift
So it is your opinion that If they had freed the slaves this was only a simple contract breach? I want to be clear.
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