Two teens arrested in fireworks attack on kitten

Sac Bee ^ | 11/20/01 | Bee Metro Staff

[Bella_Bru]

Two teenagers have been arrested for trying to blow up a 7-month-old kitten on July 3, the Citrus Heights police said Tuesday.

The teenagers, who were not identified, were booked on felony counts of exploding a destructive device and cruelty to animals.

[Jorge]

Do you eat animals? Have you ever seen what goes on in a factory farm?

Eating meat for sustinance is a long way from torturing helpless kittens because you enjoy seeing things suffer as a form of entertainment.
Give me a major break.

[Sungirl]

There is no equivalence between aborting a human and eating meat.

Well.....you are the one who said this...and I was just trying to make the point that there is an equivalent to some people.

[Frohickey]

I think the punishment for this should be for the two teens and their parents to pay for the kitten. Then, they can do anything to it as they please.

Since the two teens have already 'used' the kitten, they are obligated to purchase it from the owners. The owners can ask any price for the kitten, and the two teens and their parents are obligated and must satisfy the owners or else they are put in jail until the owners are paid or compensated to their satisfaction.

The price for the kitten is solely based on what the owners would be satisfied with, not on market prices or anything else like that.

If I was the owner, I have two prices in mind. One is $10 million. The other is that the two teens immediately donate both of their gonads to science. It would be nice to see what an M80 would do to their gonads.

[Sungirl]

Please tell me you didn't mean that if you PAY for an animal you have the right to torture it or blow it up.

[Arthalion]

But tell me, when is the right time? WHEN IS THE RIGHT TIME?

There are a lot of right times, but the right time is not ALL of the time. You do realize, I hope, that Free Republic is a conservative forum, and that the VAST majority of people here agree with you that abortion should be banned? If you spend all of your time attacking those who agree with your position, how do you ever expect to achieve anything?

But even more than that, I think you are missing a fundamental point here. Abortion is evil, but so is torturing defenseless kittens. While we should fight abortion wherever we can, we must NOT focus solely on it and forget about all of the other evils in the world. The cold slaughter of millions of human lives sickens me, but so does strapping an M80 to the side of an animal. There's no reason why we can't be appalled at both.

[Bella_Bru]

I pinged you first!!!!!

[Frohickey]

Please tell me you didn't mean that if you PAY for an animal you have the right to torture it or blow it up.

Yes I do. I do it every time. I go over to the place where they sell them. I put them in my cart, and pay the lady in the checkout stand.

I then put it into my freezer, which has to be torture to be frozen like that. The following day, I defrost it in my microwave, which has to be torture. I then soak it in acetic acid and citric acid and put some spicy neurotoxins on it. I then torture it some more when it put it into an oven at 350 degrees for 2 hours. I even poke and prod it with a fork a few times and also spoon its juices on top of it. After its done, I then use a knife and slowly carve slices and slices off it until its finished. ;)

[Old Professer]

Lighten up; torturing cats is not what decent people do, that is a given. Up until 28 years ago, the law didn't allow for the willful taking of a human life by any means except as due punishment for capital crimes, war and self-defense.

Abortion is couched in terms of self-defense by those who defend the practice; those who abhor it are horrified and rightfully make such equivalencies, whether fitting or not.

I admire Tabitha for her guts in speaking out. I agree the debate belongs on its own forum, but it is a point worth repeating - legalized abortion is still the willful taking of a human life.

[moteineye]

Well I know what you mean. Sometimes animals are treated cruelly when they are slaughtered when it should always be done as humanely as possible.I see nothing wrong with using animals for food.After-all many animals eat other animals. Cats,dogs,birds,fish,bears,and insects eat other animals.They don't try to be nicey,nice either when they do it.

[Bella_Bru]

I don't need to lighten up. She trolls from thread to thread about animal abuse, bitching about the threads and how sick she is of hearing about it. Maybe she can start her own thread. Of course, then she'd have to give up her job as raving nutter who doesn't mind animal abuse because of abortion.

[Arthalion]

What bugs me is these teens are arrested while abortion "doctors" (murderers) rake in the big bucks without any legal penalty! IS THIS JUSTICE???

No, it's not. It's nowhere near justice. But you don't fix that problem by letting the kitty killers go, you fight to have the abortion doctors arrested too. I care very much about the current state of abortions in America, and pray to God that the end of this travesty is coming, but I refuse to overlook the other travesties in this world until then. I would never even think of telling you to stop fighting against the evil of abortion, but I would ask you to understand that many of us have other battles that we fight at the same time.

[mlocher]

i am totally disgusted about this. the kids who did this should be appropriately punished.

a baby is more valuable and vulnerable than a kitten. especially a fetus. how should fetus killers/maimers be treated?

[philman_36]

Something tells me you get hungry alot.
No, I don't get hungry alot. I know how to fish and hunt. I'm smarter than dumb animals too so it is pretty easy to trap them since they are dumb. I'm also proficient with many weapons and have an opposing thumb allowing me to use those weapons to kill and eat those dumb animals.
Animals are peoples best friends....
And their best meals too. I'll pass on the "people platter" too. I would rather starve than stoop to that.
Besides, I don't fly, haven't played soccer since the island of Negros in the Phillipines, or hail from Venezuela or wherever it was that the "Survivors" came from. I would also have tried to hike out from the beginning instead of just sitting around on my posterior like they did "hoping" to get rescued.
Somebody else can't pull your boots on for you. You have to do that for yourself.

[Fraulein]

What distinguishes us from the animals is our capacity for moral reasoning. That means that we, unlike, say, a tiger, can choose not to animals.

[Fraulein]

There is no equivalence between aborting a human and eating meat.

I am not talking about intrinsic worth. I am saying only that animals are sentient beings, who have the capacity to experience pain and to suffer. It's no coincidence that animals try to avoid pain whenever possible.

Who has the higher capacity for suffering: an adult raccoon, or a 3 week old fetus? I say the raccoon. But that does not necessarily mean that it's okay to kill the fetus. One can care about them both.

[Cool Guy]

Who has the higher capacity for suffering: an adult raccoon, or a 3 week old fetus? I say the raccoon.

I am on your side on the big picture, Pro-life and am not happy about killing animals, but I am not sure where you are getting at here.

I think between the two, the raccoon has better survivability skills, more natural protection compared to the fetus and also the fetus depends on the human being who is carrying it. The woman who is carrying the baby is morally obligated to bring it to life and impart survivability skills into the child, while we do not have the same obligation to a raccoon. I do not see any facts that lead me to beleive that the Raccoon has more feeling than the Fetus, while they are killed. If I have to decide between protecting a fetus and a Raccoon, I would go with protecting the fetus.

[Fraulein]

You mean the farmers torture the animals for kicks before they kill them?

Billions of animals are slaughtered for food each year, and they do not all come from ranches and family farms (which are much more humane). Factory farms are in the business of producing the most meat in the smallest possible space, where the healthy and humane way of doing things is considered cost inefficient. (You want that Big Mac to cost only 99 cents,don't you?)

That means you end up with confined pigs who have never once turned their bodies around, and birds who have never once spread their wings (1000s to a cage). Pigs have their tails cut off to prevent tail biting, and chickens are de-beaked (no anesthesia, since that would cost money). The animals suffer intense psychological stress, are pumped full of growth hormones; and disease runs rampant. There is nothing that prevents a downed cow, who is too sick to even stand up, from ending up on your dinner table.

[Fraulein]

Oops, that should have said: "That means that we, unlike, say, a tiger, can choose not to eat animals."

[nopardons]

I see that you are still at this.

Do you know, that studies have long ago been made on plants ? It seems that plants feel pain. I guess that people should pop synthetic nutrient pills , to make you happy.