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I am a Muslim Woman
November 21, 2001
| Furi Setio Rini
Posted on 11/20/2001 6:00:49 PM PST by Ronin
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To: Ronin
She is a very well-spoken women and seems quite level-headed and mature.
Please give us Freepers some credit for being intelligent also.
To say that all Freepers hate all Muslims is ridiculous. Nobody here is that naive. We certainly don't believe that all blacks are like Jesse Jackson or OJ Simpson. Or that all women are like Janet Reno, Hilary Clinton or Monica Lewinsky.
But, we have been attacked by terrorists who are Muslim. We must be cautious as a nation.
The fact that you are being watched by everyone should not be such a surprise.
To: Ronin
Nice dissertation ... now address this:
"You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists."
THAT'S what Americans everywhere want to know.
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posted on
11/21/2001 7:41:38 AM PST
by
bimbo
To: golitely
Thank you.
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posted on
11/21/2001 7:45:44 AM PST
by
slimer
To: Ronin
The more these Muslims speak, the bigger the hole they dig. Their silence about the attacks on September 11 is deafening, but it only gets worse when they open their mouths and fail to acknowledge the problems.
To: califordubya
Muslims in Indonesia are killing Christians......
Muslims in Kosovo are killing Christians ...
Muslims in Sudan are killing Christians ...
Muslims in the Phillipines are killing Christians ...
Face the truth: Islam is NOT a religion of peace, it is a cult of death and destruction.
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posted on
11/21/2001 7:55:13 AM PST
by
bimbo
To: Jeff Head
We are very disturbed by a general lack of avowed and open condmentation, with no excuse, by ISlamic clerics, both abnroad and here in our own country. That is the fuel (along with the burning pyre of the WTC) that is fueling many of the feelings of rghtous indignation you see here.Why don't they see that? It's like a bunch of muslims can blow up anything, kill thousands and that's alright, just consider their feelings!
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posted on
11/21/2001 8:00:01 AM PST
by
xJones
To: Ronin
I note that this potential pediatrician, who professes that she gets just heartsick from the mere thought of suffering children, has absolutely nothing to say about the deaths of children at the WTC.
Perhaps she's unaware. If you know her and you email back and forth, please inform her that children were murdered in the September 11 attack. We hate war too, but we didn't start it.
It is an otherwise good post.
To: xJones
Feelings.
Nothing more than feelings.
Trying to forget my
feelings of you.
Feeeeeeelings.
Wo-o-oh, feeeeelings.
I wish I'd never net you babe......
Feelings.
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posted on
11/21/2001 8:21:45 AM PST
by
ppaul
To: Ronin
Bump
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To: solzhenitsyn
How dare you judge me and MY fellow Freepers.
I am too livid to finish my response. I may later or I may simply forgive your stupidity.
Eaker
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posted on
11/21/2001 8:40:57 AM PST
by
Eaker
To: solzhenitsyn
I saw the most beautiful photograph on FR in the last day or two. It was of a little Afghan girl, facing skyward, in what appeared to be a prayer of thanksgiving, after her area was delivered from the Taliban. It was so moving! But to some Freepers, you're not a patriot unless you hate that little girl, and everyone like her.Sorry, but you're full of solzhenitsyn!
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posted on
11/21/2001 8:41:30 AM PST
by
F-117A
To: Ronin
You didn't read anything we said or you'd know that none of us hate this woman. We think she entirely misses the point about why we're angry with Islam and why we blame Islam for what has happened. She can tell us about how wonderful her WESTERNIZED life is all she wants, but it is OUR values, not her religion's, that make her life more than tolerable. Islam has been highjacked and it's time for Muslims to condemn the highjackers--NOT US. This woman's essay is nothing but misdirection--it doesn't condemn the highjacking.
To: xJones
X:
I don't think most of us gave a flip about Islam until now. And the more we learn, the worse it gets.
KanghaRue:
Well...Islam today is actually quite different than anything found in the Quran. This is part of the problem. Almost from the very beginning they've misinterpreted the book...and made it say what they want it to say. The Quran isn't actually that bad....less violent than the Old Testament anyway.
To: pcl
pcl:
I have been sitting here for the past hour or so comparing the Qua'ran passages given to the actual text of the Qur'an. In every case, the passages were misquoted or taken out of context.
kangharue:
Hooray! Someone actually looked them up! :) Yes, it's unforunate that some, in their eagerness to demolish Islam, will resort to intellectual dishonesty. A more reasonable approach would be to look at the Quran and try to see if what these people did is sanctioned in there. The passages often quoted in these discussions have a context which has to be taken into account if one wants to understand what the text is saying.
Also, I've seen a lot of people get hung up on the English translation. Ex: the passage about not taking Jews and Christians as "friends". The word is Arabic actually means something more like "protector". So, it's really nothing more than an Islamic version of "be not unequally yoked". Any believing Christian should understand that idea.
pcl:
While I do believe that a goal of Islam is to see that every person on earth lives under Islamic law and thus the spread of Islam must be checked, I do not believe that misquoting the Qur'an will be of any help.
Kangharue:
It is true that it wasn't so much Islam the religion that was spread...but rather Islamic RULE. This is why I tend to disbelieve the "convert or die" scenario. My husband's family were Catholics living under the Ottoman empire...and they actually were able to amass considerable wealth and status. Ironically, this ended when the Ottoman Empire fell, and they ended up fleeing to Greece where they weren't treated very well. They actually wanted to go back to Adana! (now in Turkey)
Perhaps you have heard of Bat Ye'or, a Jewish writer who isn't AT ALL friendly toward Islam. Well, in the book "The Decline of Eastern Christianity" she points out that most of the "Islamic" dhimmi laws used against non-Muslims were actually taken from the Byzantines...who used them against other Christian groups, and against Jews. The Muslims simply adapted them and turned them back on the Christians.
To: P-Marlowe
After 9/11, I began to actually study the Quran and other Islamic writings. What I found horrified me. Ditto.
Make that double dittos. I too believed the "Muslim extremist" lie. Shame on me.
To: Ol' Sparky
You must skip over those parts of the Bible that don't comport with your view. The Israelites wiped out the Caananites (supposedly by God's command) because they were of different religion.
If you take any religion and attempt to put its teaching into practice as a political system, you exclude other religions. That is a fact which can't be disputed. In that regard, Islam is no different than Christianity or Judaism.
"Thou shalt have no other God's before me."
That alone is a commandment which exludes other religions.
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posted on
11/21/2001 11:12:16 AM PST
by
Demidog
To: Demidog
You must skip over those parts of the Bible that don't comport with your view. The Israelites wiped out the Caananites (supposedly by God's command) because they were of different religion.
The Israelites wiped out the Canaanites (per God's command) because the Canaanites exhibited some very nasty religious and lifestyle practices (including child sacrifice).
If you take any religion and attempt to put its teaching into practice as a political system, you exclude other religions. That is a fact which can't be disputed. In that regard, Islam is no different than Christianity or Judaism. "Thou shalt have no other God's before me."
That alone is a commandment which exludes other religions.
Any serious student of the Bible knows that the world's history has passed from the Old Testament's context to the New Testament's context.
In the Old Testament, GOD brought into being, nurtured, and settled (in Canaan) a people through which His salvation would come into the world. Relationship with God then was essentially a corporate (or national) phenomenom.
As of the beginning of the New Testament, that salvation (JESUS) has come and is offered to every individual, regardless of nation, race, creed, or culture. As such, there is no longer any need for any Christian-governmental alliance. It took a while for that to sink into our skulls, (and yes, for some, it's still sinking), but that is the essential essence of Christianity today. Christians today fraternize and are inclusive with peoples of all nations, races, creeds, and cultures, unfortunately, even those which mean us harm.
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posted on
11/21/2001 11:52:26 AM PST
by
Quester
To: Ronin
I'd say that Americans are quite good at ignoring the elephant in our own living room...just as good as the world's Muslims.
For one example, anyone here care to be judged for the Kosovo bombing?
Yea, clinton did it, but he didn't represent MY views and beliefs.
He didn't represent what this country is supposed to be all about.
And he killed a LOT of innocent people to advance his personal agenda.
Just like the 9/11 terrorists did.
Of course, to someone who thinks like all to many on this thread, it would be ok to punish me for HIS actions.
After all, it was "murderous Christians" that did it. I live in a Christian country, my ability to vote makes him even more my
responsibility, so does that make it ok to kill me, my family, my friends and my fellow citizens in payment for his bombing spree?
The Taliban think so.
So do a lot of people here on this thread -as long as it's the other guy.
That reasoning gives the radical Muslims the justification they need.
It would also justify hatred of Americans by the Germans, the Japanese, and people from a variety of places around the world
(unless the fact that we "won" or were "morally justified" makes their dead not matter as much...and so they need to get over it).
Dealing with a threat is one thing. Even hating those who did it.
Hating an entire race or religion for the actions of a few is quite another.
Hating Americans and killing thousands of civilians on 9/11 -supposedly for actions of our country around the world- is WRONG.
Hating and condemning all Muslims for the actions of some is JUST as wrong.
Sure, deal with the problem: "leaders" that manipulate their people to advance their personal agendas.
Sometimes that requires war and innocent people DO die.
But it doesn't require blaming and hating all the people that live in that country, or all of that religion or race.
Hearing calls to "nuke'em all" from "peace-loving" Christians because "we're justified" is exactly the mindset of the Taliban.
And it's at least as hypocritical.
Indulging in a frenzy of hate is as wrong for us as it is for them.
It isn't worthy of an American.
It certainly isn't worthy of a FReeper.
Please thank your friend for her time and trouble.
Once again we get to see that real people are not the same as politicians.
Not all buy into the propaganda.
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posted on
11/21/2001 12:04:53 PM PST
by
freefly
To: VoiceOfBruck
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