Posted on 11/19/2001 6:09:34 AM PST by Notwithstanding
In 1998, Ramerman and two priests, the Rev. James Callan and the Rev. Enrique Cadena, as well as many parishioners, split from Corpus Christi in Rochester. It resulted in the formation of Spiritus Christi, a 1,500-person congregation independent of the diocese that celebrates Sunday Mass at Hochstein Music School downtown. Ramerman's first Mass as a priest is 8 a.m. today. While she is considered an Old Catholic priest, Spiritus Christi remains an independent church. The auburn-haired mother of three now goes by the title of the Rev. Mary Ramerman. Parishioners need not call her "father," the traditional name associated with Roman Catholic priests. Rather, just call her "Mary," she said.
>Right, so stop calling her Catholic.
She's not "Protestant" either, as her whole point is to be as Catholic as possible (except for following rules which prevent her from achieving a certain level of power). Disagreeing on a couple points doesn't make her a "Protestant", even if the disagreement gets her booted out.
Correct you are jackbill. For those interested, the explanation of papal infallibility can be found here.
However, the same verses can be taken to the extreme, in probiting women from saying anything in church. I am not advocating that, I'm just pointing out the contradictions between what's "Biblical" and what is actually practiced today.
10 to 1 she's a lesbian or a wanna-be lesbian or radical pro-abortion. Woe to her and her minions who lead people astray.
No flames here...I agree completely. This ordination is evil. Not just wrong.
It's a little difficult for this Lutheran to unravel all the facts.Not your fault, these people do that on purpose. Wolf in sheep’s clothing sort of thing.
I noticed one thing. Father Mary was already performing pastoral acts before she left to become a priest on her own.Yes, they have a long history of dissent, and only left when the Church was about to boot them.
The pastor is assisted by a woman during certain parts of the worship service.Without knowing which parts I probably shouldn’t speak, but I suspect this violates the rules. The women may serve as alter girls, lectors, or distribute communion, but that is it. They cannot read the Canon, the parts of the Mass. If they are doing so your brother attends a bad parish and should find another.
The women are already installed in positions of power.This is one major cause of the so-called vocations crisis. Feminist nuns who run vocations offices and screen out men who don’t agree with them theologically. Those dioceses that won’t allow such women to assume control do very well. Those that have such nuns don’t have many vocations. Its part of the liberal attempt to force the Church to accept women priests. Problem is that they are losing power today, and vocations are rising fast.
I think the Church of Rome will be ripped up by it as well.It certainly has been.
What many people do not anticipate is this - that women clergy will network and serve as shock-troops for abortion on demand and homosexual ordination.We’ve seen it happen to others, and you can’t make a case for women’s ordination today that passes the laugh test in serious Catholic circles.
patent +AMDG
She is not a classical Protestant, but neither are most people we call Protestants these days. She did leave in the same fashion and was ordained by a Protestant era denomination. I would have to agree with you that she doesn’t adhere to the theologies of a Luther, Calvin, or Zwingli, but then many Protestants don’t today.>Right, so stop calling her Catholic.She's not "Protestant" either,
as her whole point is to be as Catholic as possibleNot at all. She disagrees on nearly everything necessary to be a Catholic. Abortion, homosexuality, women’s ordination, the Pope, the Real Presence in the Eucharist, Salvation theology, you name it, she (and this parish in general, they have a long, long history not mentioned in this article) does not agree with us on it. She wants to appear Catholic, but she most certainly does not want to be Catholic, at least to the extent that term has any meaning.
Disagreeing on a couple points doesn't make her a "Protestant", even if the disagreement gets her booted out.She didn’t get booted (though she would have), she left. She left in protest. I will agree that she is not a classical Protestant.
patent +AMDG
The presence and the role of women in the life and mission of the Church, although not linked to the ministerial priesthood, remain absolutely necessary and irreplaceable....just different!!
The New Testament and the whole history of the Church give ample evidence of the presence in the Church of women, true disciples, witnesses to Christ in the family and in society, as well as in total consecration to the service of God and of the Gospel.
By defending the dignity of women and their vocation, the Church has shown honor and gratitude for those women who, faithful to the Gospel, have shared in every age in the apostolic mission of the whole People of God. They are the holy martyrs, virgins and mothers of families, who bravely bore witness to their faith and passed on the Church's faith and tradition by bringing up their children in the spirit of the Gospel.
These fools tried to starve us into submission. Don' they understand - the "evil heierarchical male" church has been around for 2000 years??? Do they really think they can bring her down in such a silly cowardly way? It is so nice to see all the good and loyal young priests. We went to confession on saturday at a middle-of-the road parish (not known as heavily orthodox). Two of the three priests were in their 20s. Both were excellent confessors. And EVERY week there are lines of people waiting to recieve this sacrament. Sister Fraulieber and her cohort in the dioceses around the nation need to see that they are merely ensuring their dioceses will be somewhat dead for a few more decades while other diocese finish the job of restoring the Church started by JPII.
This ought to be rich!
I gave an answer on post 32. Did it turn out to be as rich as you thought?
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