Posted on 11/19/2001 6:09:34 AM PST by Notwithstanding
In 1998, Ramerman and two priests, the Rev. James Callan and the Rev. Enrique Cadena, as well as many parishioners, split from Corpus Christi in Rochester. It resulted in the formation of Spiritus Christi, a 1,500-person congregation independent of the diocese that celebrates Sunday Mass at Hochstein Music School downtown. Ramerman's first Mass as a priest is 8 a.m. today. While she is considered an Old Catholic priest, Spiritus Christi remains an independent church. The auburn-haired mother of three now goes by the title of the Rev. Mary Ramerman. Parishioners need not call her "father," the traditional name associated with Roman Catholic priests. Rather, just call her "Mary," she said.
I think we should take comfort in the fact that these women are unlikely to commandeer jetliners and fly them into buildings.Matthew 10:28: Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Don’t get me wrong, I am glad they aren’t commandeering jetliners, but from my point of view they do far worse when they lead people astray.
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I disagree.
Roman Catholics make terrible Protestants.
It is very rare to find a Cradle Catholic who is happy and fulfilled in Protestant worship. For many I have known, public identification with a Protestant denomination is just another way of striking back at the Church that they have come to hate.
And to their Catholic bretheren, it all seems perfectly logical, since they think all Protestants are constantly in rebellion against the Roman Catholic Church anyway.
I never gave Catholicism two thoughts until I became engaged to a Catholic. Anti-Catholicism was never part of my worship, and still doesn't interest me.
Most "ex-Catholics", on the other hand, think of nothing else.
Of course, the Pope is usually speaking "Ex Podex"
And what pig's Podex did you emerge from?
1. The divine Mary as a substitute for Christ.
2. The divinely infallible papacy and Holy Mother Rome.
3. Purgatory - a semi-hell for the semi-forgiven.
4. Justification by works, with justification by faith anathematized.
These four points are absolutely tied together. That is why all true Protestants confess that the papacy is the very Antichrist.
Perhaps I missed something here; seems they worked it out just fine. . .they left and started their own Church.
Fine, hardly the first time; not the last; and whether or not the Roman Catholic dictum on this is or is not infallible; it IS the Law of the Church; if some do not like it. . .move on. Plenty have; and plenty more to take their place. . .
1. The divine Mary as a substitute for Christ.No Catholic believes Mary is divine. Nor does any Catholic believe that Mary is a substitute for Christ. Both are absurd. You teach a flat out fallacy when you claim this. It is utterly indefensible for you to claim this. You can provide nothing that backs this up.
2. The divinely infallible papacy and Holy Mother Rome.I think the limited circumstances under which the Pope is provided the divine protection of infallibility are adequately defined above, and I can’t tell what you mean by holy mother Rome, though I assume it is an errant reference to the Holy Mother Church.
3. Purgatory - a semi-hell for the semi-forgiven.You have to be kidding. A semi-hell? Semi-forgiven? Where do you get this stuff? You are either in mortal sin or not, you are not half forgiven anything, you either are or are not. You go to purgatory if you have venial sins, not if you are “semi-forgiven.”
4. Justification by works, with justification by faith anathematized.Justification by grace, as demonstrated above, and with justification by faith alone anathematized.
These four points are absolutely tied together. That is why all true Protestants confess that the papacy is the very Antichrist.If you are going to call us the antichrist you could at least do so based on doctrine we actually teach. Otherwise you bear false witness, and it is clear who acts in the spirit of the antichrist.
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Yes, I do. Do I believe that one denomination and only one denomination has the absolute corner on truth? NO! That is the epitome of spiritual arrogance and pride. Lot's of sincere devoted men of God have genuine differences of opinion on the interpretation of scripture.
Pontificating does not impress me. I have 3,000 quotations in my database and many publications on the subject.
I did not say Roman Catholics are the Antichrist. The papacy is the Antichrist. That has always been the position of faithful Protestants. When Anglicans had spine, they also wrote the same. It is the Biblical position.
I don't believe that the United States government has "an absolute corner" on making the rules of society. But within its perview, it is authoritative. The Supremacy Clause gives it this right an dits purpose to to establish "a more perfect union." I believe that the Catholic Church has the similar authority to interpretate Scripture and apply its commands to establish a spiritual unity.
I have 3,000 quotations in my database and many publications on the subject.Great. For starters, use one of them (from a Catholic, not an anti-Catholic) to back up your claim that Catholics consider Mary divine.
It is the Biblical position.Are you suggesting the Bible states the Pope is the antichrist? Why on earth would a Catholic Church that compiled the Bible include that? LOL. Ok, lets see you back that up too. Since the Bible clearly doesn’t state any such thing, you will have to misinterpret and combine several verses to even come close. Also, while your at it could you mine your quotations and find the earliest person to claim the Papacy is the antichrist? That should prove instructive as well.
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I did not say Roman Catholics are the Antichrist. The papacy is the Antichrist.Also, to add to this, regardless of whom you call the anti-Christ, as I said it is downright un-christian to do so based on doctrine they don’t teach. This is what you have done when you claim the Pope teaches Mary is divine, for example.
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