Posted on 11/19/2001 6:09:34 AM PST by Notwithstanding
In 1998, Ramerman and two priests, the Rev. James Callan and the Rev. Enrique Cadena, as well as many parishioners, split from Corpus Christi in Rochester. It resulted in the formation of Spiritus Christi, a 1,500-person congregation independent of the diocese that celebrates Sunday Mass at Hochstein Music School downtown. Ramerman's first Mass as a priest is 8 a.m. today. While she is considered an Old Catholic priest, Spiritus Christi remains an independent church. The auburn-haired mother of three now goes by the title of the Rev. Mary Ramerman. Parishioners need not call her "father," the traditional name associated with Roman Catholic priests. Rather, just call her "Mary," she said.
One could argue that the nature of the Lord is not that hard to see from scripture and that failure to see it doesn't prove a problem with scripture but with the person making the mistake.
I think it far more likely that the anti-christ is not an individual but the growing number of Christians who refuse to act in a Christ-like manner. Those who spew hate under the cover of being good Christians.
Old Catholicism was particularly strong in Germany, where it was aided and abetted by the secularizing ambitions of the German Kulturkampf, initiated by the Chancellor Bismark, who sought to subordinate the Church to State control.
Father Mary may be forced to admit it soon when she's excommunicated. Rome isn't going to put up with this blatant violation of their very strict rule.
I do not have lay readers in my congregation.
This one won’t be excommunicated. She admits she has left the Church, and if memory serves me it was Rome’s pressure on her Bishop that led to that. There is no need to excommunicate someone who admits she is not Catholic. She just isn’t very loud about that fact.blur the line between Catholics and people who are essentially Protestant, but won't admit it.Father Mary may be forced to admit it soon when she's excommunicated. Rome isn't going to put up with this blatant violation of their very strict rule.
patent +AMDG
I would need to check the canon to verify, but I imagine that accepting an "ordination" from a schismatic group pretty much is an act which automatically self-excommunicates.
SD
It is typically Protestant perspective to view the Bible as an entity hanging somewhere above and beyond the Church. And it is correct for most of the relatively new Protestant denominations; the Bible is high over them. However the New Testament is an account of the beliefs of the Catholic Apostolic Church. The Church is in possession of the Bible. The Bible belongs to the Church and not vice versa. The Church created the written record of Christ’s teachings because proclamation of the Good News is its sacred duty. The Church decides which Books [Bible=Biblia(Greek)=books] are divinely inspired and belong to the Sacred Scriptures; the Church translates, interprets and legitimately preaches the Word of God.
The Church was given the Holy Spirit not only for the first decades of its existence, not only through the Middle Ages, not only after Vatican II, but throughout all ages to the end of time. And because of the assistance of the Holy Spirit the Church’s teachings are in fact infallible. For the believer, of course.
Every social group existing more than one day has its traditions, and the Catholic Church has traditions, e.g. Christmas tree. The Catholic Church also has the Sacred Tradition. The Sacred Tradition belongs to the deposit of faith of the Church and is directly related to the Revelation in the Sacred Scriptures. The Tradition is a prominent reminder of the continuous work of the Holy Spirit within the Church of Christ -- that is for the believer, again.
“I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” Matthew 16, 18-19
Note that He didn’t say: “Peter, you always look up if it’s in your Bible”, He said: “Whatever you bind shall be bound”. That is the Roman Catholic Church. Care to return/join?
“Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, then I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me.” Rev 3, 20
“Who has ears to hear, let him hear.” Matthew 13:43
Truly yours,
Rock'em Sock'em Traditionalist
Of course it does. However, that wasn't posted as a reply to the question in #26 so, it didn't get counted.
INTRODUCTION OF SAINT LOUIS MARY DE MONTFORT
1. It was through the Blessed Virgin Mary that Jesus came into the world, and it is also through her that he must reign in the world.
2. Because Mary remained hidden during her life she is called by the Holy Spirit and the Church "Alma Mater", Mother hidden and unknown. So great was her humility that she desired nothing more upon earth than to remain unknown to herself and to others, and to be known only to God.
3. In answer to her prayers to remain hidden, poor and lowly, God was pleased to conceal her from nearly every other human creature in her conception, her birth, her life, her mysteries, her resurrection and assumption. Her own parents did not really know her; and the angels would often ask one another, "Who can she possibly be?", for God had hidden her from them, or if he did reveal anything to them, it was nothing compared with what he withheld.
4. God the Father willed that she should perform no miracle during her life, at least no public one, although he had given her the power to do so. God the Son willed that she should speak very little although he had imparted his wisdom to her. Even though Mary was his faithful spouse, God the Holy Spirit willed that his apostles and evangelists should say very little about her and then only as much as was necessary to make Jesus known.
There is not doubt that when it comes to making up religion Catholics are unparalleled. You must be in the 'ministry'.
Pretty off-topic, but what the heck. They try that crap in my county, too. I asked them "what service are you offering, that I should considering paying a fee for?"
They had no answer, so my dog has no license. If they want to sell me something, they're going to have to try harder.
The Holy Spirit wrote it, and has preserved it, just as He said He would.
He uses whomever he uses, in order to do His will (see Numbers 22:28-30, for example).
To your 122: I don't think that without some extra divine, supernatural help one can say for sure that Jesus is God. If you rely solely on the text, He Himself says that the Father is greater than the Son. There are many such passages in the Scriptures which, with human reason and the text alone, one cannot definitively interpret. For example, are we saved by faith, ala Romans, or "not by faith alone" but by works, ala St. James? The Bible says both. It can be understood, but not by solely relying on the text. We have to look at a larger context, and again, the Holy Spirit guides the Church's teaching on this issue, which in fact preserves the truth of both Paul and James' statements. But if we stuck to SOLELY using human reason and the text, we would have to give equal weight to such conflicting interpretations as those of Pelagius (who said a man can earn his salvation by the force of his own efforts) and Luther.
Also, there's the issue of how the Bible, and particularly the New Testament, was assembled centuries after Christ. This definitely required the intervention of the Holy Spirit outside of the Bible itself.
Another example of tradition, which I believe is faulty, is sola scriptura, a protestant idea which is not contained anywhere in the Bible.
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