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Taliban Offer Conditional Surrender
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 11/18/01

Posted on 11/18/2001 8:58:55 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar

Taliban offer conditional surrender

November 18, 2001

BY ELLEN KNICKMEYER ASSOCIATED PRESS

BANGI, Afghanistan -- Defenders of the last Taliban stronghold in northern Afghanistan made a conditional offer of surrender Sunday after a day of devastating U.S. airstrikes, the opposition northern alliance said.

U.S. B-52s led a day of intense bombing on Taliban positions outside the city of Kunduz, sending huge fireballs skyward. On Sunday evening, an opposition commander said the Taliban had offered to give up provided there was a guarantee of safety for foreign fighters loyal to Osama bin Laden.

Refugees fleeing the city of Kunduz over the weekend, meanwhile, told of terror at the hands of Taliban troops and bin Laden loyalists. One described a doctor shot and killed for not treating a wounded Taliban fast enough, and others said eight teen-age boys were killed for laughing at Taliban soldiers.

Witnesses also said at least 100 Taliban soldiers were shot, apparently by gunmen from their own side, as they approached northern alliance lines in an attempt to surrender.

The conditional surrender offer was reported by an opposition commander, Nahidullah, who said it was made during negotiations conducted by radio with the Taliban. The Taliban said they would surrender if the alliance guaranteed that non-Afghans fighting alongside them would not be killed and if the surrender were witnessed by United Nations representatives.

There are an estimated 3,000 non-Afghans fighting with the Taliban in Kunduz, including Arabs believed to be affiliated with bin Laden's al-Qaida terrorist network as well as Pakistanis.

There was no immediate word whether the opposition alliance has accepted the offer.

Elsewhere in Afghanistan, a private news agency said U.S. bombardment of Taliban positions in their home base of Kandahar in the south and outside the eastern city of Jalalabad had killed more than 70 people overnight. The reports could not be independently confirmed.

The latest American bombardment of Taliban lines outside Kunduz used the largest bombs yet unleashed in the area. Flames shot into the air, and cracking booms echoed across the valley floor toward the northern alliance's own foxholes in opposing ridges. Avalanches of soil cascaded down the targeted hillsides.

Taliban soldiers could be seen running out on the distant ridges, trying to find cover.

Northern alliance forces had moved a multiple-rocket launcher and two tanks up to the road that is the eastern approach to Kunduz, but there was no sign an attack was imminent.

Refugees fleeing Kunduz over the past several days have said the city is under the control of Arab, Pakistani, Chechen and other foreign fighters--and a hard core of Taliban fighters from Kandahar.

In and near Bangi, a village about 30 miles east of Kunduz, refugees gave chilling accounts of conditions inside the city.

The Taliban were barring people from leaving, telling them, "If you leave the USA will bomb all the city," said a refugee named Dar Zardad. He said he made it out of the city only after Taliban beat him with their rifle butts.

Zardad described the killing in Kunduz of a group of boys in their late teens by Taliban from Kandahar after some of the youths laughed at them. He and others also recounted how troops shot and killed a doctor when he delayed responding to their summons to come treat wounded Taliban fighters.

Refugees said people of the city were hiding indoors and closing their shops for fear of summary execution by the Taliban. Foreign fighters, using local translators, were broadcasting loudspeaker announcements saying they would be taking the offensive against northern alliance troops laying siege to the city.

The reports of bombings in eastern Nangarhar province and in Kandahar came from the Afghan Islamic Press. It said the Nangarhar raid killed 30 people, and quoted a Pakistani official at the nearby Torkham border crossing as saying seven wounded were brought to Pakistan for treatment.

It also said U.S. jets struck targets around Kandahar, killing 46 people, as the stalemate continued over control of the Taliban stronghold.

In the capital, Kabul, U.N. envoy Francesc Vendrell was trying to help work out a plan for a new Afghan government. The former president, Burhanuddin Rabbani, returned to Kabul on Saturday for the first time in five years.

Rabbani has never relinquished his claim to the presidency, though he has acknowledged the international calls for a broad-based government that would include all of Afghanistan's ethnic groups.

A White House official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Saturday that the United States has been pressuring the northern alliance to share power with other factions and to let the United Nations oversee assembly of a new government. U.S. officials are in the region and in direct contact with the alliance, he said.

Vendrell said he had a preliminary meeting with Rabbani's acting foreign minister, Abdullah, on Sunday. He described the exchange as "cordial" but said no outstanding issues were resolved.

Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


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To: exnavy
Hell no! He'd just bring them back looking for handouts. Plus, the dead ones would qualify as democrat voters. Just say no to JJ!
61 posted on 11/18/2001 11:58:39 AM PST by Roebucks
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
No Negotiations here. Put your hands in the air and surrennder! Period!
62 posted on 11/18/2001 12:08:00 PM PST by Salvation
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To: marvlus
U.S.A. = "Unconditional Surrender, A**holes!
63 posted on 11/18/2001 12:09:16 PM PST by JAWs
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To: *taliban_list
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and then click the topic to initiate the search! !

64 posted on 11/18/2001 12:10:29 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: RJayneJ; JAWs
Check out #63. Says it all.
65 posted on 11/18/2001 12:15:41 PM PST by Faraday
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To: Ruth A.
Unconditional surrender. Put down your weapons, take an oath to never attack the US or
other allied countries again. If that is unpalatable, then continue fighting.


Actually, if history is any guide, that is the compassionate thing to demand.

The USA (and Allies) WON and demanded unconditional surrenders from
Germany and Japan. The result? Two of the most prosperous (and democratic)
countries in history.

We let the USSR lose their Cold War in slow motion and no clear declaration of surrender,
and we failed to press the attack in Vietnam.
The results? Slow motion economic and social decline in the first, death and re-education
camps in the later.

The Korean (Forgotten War) Conflict is about the only case in recent memory where
a truce seemed to secure a positive outcome...at least for our allies.
66 posted on 11/18/2001 12:19:53 PM PST by VOA
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To: AmericanVictory
We have a feeling some of the commanders will be offered to the U.S. for trial in exchange for cash and other consideration.

There is no political or military benefit for the U.S. to get involved in trials of local Al Qaeda military commanders. A trial of these religious fanatics is an invitation for the Mother of All O.J. Trials and will be used as a propaganda vehicle in Muslim countries.

It is in the U.S. interest that they all die swift and violent deaths in battle or under circumstances outside of U.S. control.

67 posted on 11/18/2001 12:25:04 PM PST by Polybius
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To: MistrX
No, you mean...
conditions? what conditions? we don't need no stinking conditions?
68 posted on 11/18/2001 12:51:17 PM PST by Godfollow
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To: Bob Evans
YEEEEEEEEEE-HAWWWWWWWWWWW!!! And to all the pacifists, Kumbaya-types, and Blame-America-Firsters out there, you can kiss my WASP a$$!! P.S., Just got unceremoniously booted out of DUh.com TWICE! Waaahhhhh! I was just exercising my "right of dissent"!
69 posted on 11/18/2001 1:12:10 PM PST by Constantine
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Death to them all, no conditional surrender. From their acts within the city they have proven that they should not be allowed to live. If they are allowed to live, they will just take more innocent lives elsewhere. This is an opportunity to wipe them off the face of the earth; and it should be taken. They do not deserve to be allowed to live out the month. Even if some innocent civilian in the town must die, it is in my opinion important to remove the Taliban and their foreign "zealots" from the face of the earth.
70 posted on 11/18/2001 1:22:37 PM PST by Robert357
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
the Taliban had offered to give up provided there was a guarantee of safety for foreign fighters loyal to Osama bin Laden.

Talibs: "Our only condition is that you not massacre us"

NA: "Sorry, but, that's non-negotiable"

Muahahahaha

Refugees fleeing the city of Kunduz over the weekend, meanwhile, told of terror at the hands of Taliban troops and bin Laden loyalists. One described a doctor shot and killed for not treating a wounded Taliban fast enough, and others said eight teen-age boys were killed for laughing at Taliban soldiers.

Witnesses also said at least 100 Taliban soldiers were shot, apparently by gunmen from their own side, as they approached northern alliance lines in an attempt to surrender.

If they haven't surrenderred by now, it's too late.

71 posted on 11/18/2001 1:44:55 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
The conditional surrender offer was reported by an opposition commander, Nahidullah, who said it was made during negotiations conducted by radio with the Taliban. The Taliban said they would surrender if the alliance guaranteed that non-Afghans fighting alongside them would not be killed and if the surrender were witnessed by United Nations representatives.

I wouldn't know what to do about these terms, since word has it that Chechens fighting with the Taliban are shooting Taliban "fighters" who try to surrender.

Unless the Chechen bandits are only killing Afghans (which might be true, but I don't know), it will be impossible to comply with Nahidullah's request.

72 posted on 11/18/2001 1:46:34 PM PST by Honorary Serb
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I'm sorry, Mr. Taliban leader...I couldn't hear what you were saying...the bombs are too loud!
73 posted on 11/18/2001 1:52:33 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Accept no quarter!
74 posted on 11/18/2001 2:02:08 PM PST by mrfixit514
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To: mrfixit514

Boy, are these Taliban Stupid...

President Bush make quite clear the terms of surrender. They said no. THEY said NO! They told us that we would have to go in and kill them. Well, guess what? Yep, we did just as they asked. But now, they see that we mean what we say...


Whats the matter? Expecting a Clintonian response? Is their opinion of us so low that they thought that they would remain unscathed? No. It was made perfectly clear. They told us to go to HECK. And we said OK.


They cheered in the streets as American innocents died. They danced with joy and held up victory symbols. They used our kindness against us. They taunted us. They made fun of us. They threatened us. They used biological weapons against our civilian population. They attacked us, using our friendship against us and provoked us into war when we were doing nothing more than living a peaceful existance.


Bush was very clear. Surrender or die. They chose to go to their "heaven" and dine with Allah and the seventy black eyed virgins. OK with us.


In the game of life, when you place a bet and you lose, be prepared to pay your debts.


75 posted on 11/18/2001 2:56:17 PM PST by vannrox
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Okay. You surrender, drop your weapon and start running. We'll count to ten and then fire. If you can outrun the bullet, you're home free -- until the American Air Force locates you again. Deal?

Glad I could be of service.

Congressman Billybob

76 posted on 11/18/2001 3:28:02 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound
Hi, Senator.

I think you meant NO QUARTER!

Or were you thinking of half dollars & Sacajawea's also?

Congressman Billybob

77 posted on 11/18/2001 3:30:21 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Constantine
Welcome to the club. I tried out a venture into duLLARD land. I was polite, stuck to my specialty -- constitutional law -- and lasted six posts before I was bounced.

The duLLARDS are potty mouths, fact-free posters, and have an obsession with FReepers. But they ain't worth our time and effort. They sit there with kazoos and we sit here with tubas. Class will out.

Congressman Billybob

78 posted on 11/18/2001 3:43:15 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Polybius
We disagree, the best lesson for the "Arab masses" is for a number of them to receive swift military justice and a death sentence, just as did the German sabateurs of WWII. Indeed, so should so called religious leaders who help to organize and train them. That combined with removing the Oil Weapon from Arab and Islamic hands altogether will have a decided preventative and calming effect and having the Oil Weapon out of Saudi hands together with such swift justice would make Wahhabinism and its offshoots and progeny decidely less attractive as such fundamentalist nuts became the left-behind ignoramuses of the Islamic world.
79 posted on 11/18/2001 3:51:00 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
It also said U.S. jets struck targets around Kandahar, killing 46 people, as the stalemate continued over control of the Taliban stronghold.

I'm getting a better feel for these AP war articles. None are complete without a direct or indirect reference to "civilian" casualties caused by us. In this case, what may well have been 46 combatants are refered to as "46 people."
I honestly did not notice who this article was atributed to at the top, but could tell from the subtle but unmistakable anti-US tone that it was AP.

80 posted on 11/18/2001 4:04:53 PM PST by jonathonandjennifer
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