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The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict
www.cactus48.com ^ | 2000 | Jews for Justice

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:15 PM PST by ExiledInTaiwan

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To: monkeyshine
On July 22, 1946. Who bombed the King David hotel. The Tooth Fairy ? No. It was the future Prime Minister and his Terrorists.
261 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:36 PM PST by John_11_25
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To: Romulus
but I've not seen any evidence of increasing or systematic attacks on Jews in the USA.

That you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or isn't coming. The Crown Heights pogrom was significant not just because it was anti-Semitic, but because of the reaction of the various parts of our society...government, the judiciary, and the media, in particular.

The idea that the USA is not safe -- in fact, the safest place on earth -- for Jews, is just preposterous.

Have it your way, then.

Good night.

263 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:49 PM PST by BenF
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To: John_11_25
On July 22, 1946. Who bombed the King David hotel. The Tooth Fairy ? No. It was the future Prime Minister and his Terrorists.

And who was in the King David hotel? British headquarters or Radisson Cruise Line passengers departing the next morning for the Greek Isles? And who called the Brits and warned them of the impending bombing (as you know, John, the objective was the destruction of British records)? A hint, it wasn't a travel agent for Radisson. A couple of the British officers in the bar took it seriously and left. They lived. The British commander screwed up, he considered it a joke, maybe even the tooth fairy.

It was clearly a military target.

264 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:51 PM PST by SJackson
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To: equus
I don't take Israeli sources over NYTimes accounts from back in 1948

Except for that vaporous "Jewish Newsletter" article by the mysterious "Nathan the Atheist" ROTFL.

265 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:51 PM PST by Alouette
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To: Alouette
"Nathan the Atheist"

NO!!!

Tell me it isn't so.

266 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:52 PM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
1946, it was still British. Therefore the Jews were terrorists, killing innocent civillians, even if they did give a warning. It was not Israel for another two years. Or would you call them Freedom Fighters?. In my opinion, the British took the easy way out after a long painful war and should have never gave up the land.
267 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:55 PM PST by John_11_25
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To: John_11_25
No I disagree.

Semantics perhaps, but targeting and intent is important. 1946, it was still British. Therefore the Jews were terrorists, killing innocent civilians, even if they did give a warning. It was not Israel for another two years. Or would you call them Freedom Fighters?.

Largely killing British military. I will agree, the warning doesn't matter, other than evidence of the military intent.

Let's play fill in the blanks. 1775, it was still British. Therefore the ..... were terrorists, killing innocent civilians, even if they did give a warning. It was not America for another seven years. Or would you call them Freedom Fighters?.

No, Patriots.

In my opinion, the British took the easy way out after a long painful war and should have never gave up the land.

Should never give up the land? You must be joking. IMHO the Brits didn't want the land, the responsibility of administering it, didn't want the Arabs, and didn't want the Jews, especially Jewish refugees hanging around in Europe. So they dumped it.

268 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:58 PM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Thanks for the great picture. I ate there one time in my life when little and can sort of remember it.
270 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:03 PM PST by dennisw
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To: equus
Your hatred of Israel becomes a sickness. The Arabs have 19 nations. The Jews have just one. Yet you would deny them this.

People like you are the reason Israel is well armed.

271 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:04 PM PST by dennisw
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To: John_11_25
Get your facts straight. It was not a "hotel" at the time, it was the command HQ for the British military, who I might add were bombing the Jews and aiding the Arabs against the nascent Israeli state. And they didn't seek to kill people. In fact, they not only called in advance and told them to get out, they also called the French Embassy next door and told them to open their windows so that glass would not be blown inside embassy.

The hotel was clearly a military target, and the attack was intended to destroy morale and infrastructure, not people. It was a military target, against a nation that had renegged on their agreement to pull out of the territory and had armed their enemies and physucally attacked Jewish towns.

272 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:04 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: John_11_25
Therefore the Jews were terrorists, killing innocent civillians,

This statement evinces you ignorance. By collectivizing "Jews". The Irgun and Stern were small dissenting organizations. For example, the Haganah which was the recognized Yishuv (the Jewish leadership) defence force, had 17,000 men and 4,000 women in 1937. In comparison the Irgun had 1,800 men. Moreover, members of both the Irgun and Stern were arrested from time to time by the Yishuv. Again, the Yishuv was the "government" and official entity of the Jews in the British Mandate before the State of Israel was declared in May of 1948. And again, both the Irgun and Stern were formed for many reasons as entities fundamentally as retaliatory groups to the Arabs who had been rioting and murdering Jews for years. Eventually they began to attack British targets because the British had betrayed the National Home by lying concerning Arab displacement. The British had therefore in the 1939 White Paper severely restricted Jewish immigration and would have given that entirely into the hands of the Arabs five years from the White Paper's pronouncement. Moroever, the British enacted discriminatory land purchasing laws against the Jews which the Anglo-American committee (1945-6) had itself noted as discriminatory. Hence the British were in the process of turning on the National Home and selling out the Jews because of the Arabs, oil, and other strategic reasons. They even turned some of their guns against the Jews in Israel's war of independence and also staffing the Arab Legion with some British officers.

273 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:10 PM PST by Lent
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To: Lent
Certainly you using this trash is evidence that there are enough closet leftists on Free Republic at least when it comes to Israel.

How true. Conservative most days but leftist when it comes to Israel. After all....... the left makes more colorful anti- Jewish and anti-Israel propaganda than the right does.

274 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:13 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Lent
The King David was targeted because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and confiscated their documents, which were kept at the King David Hotel. This information included intelligence info on the Arab armies and nations. It was not only the HQ of the British command, but it was also the British Criminal Investigation Division. This is important because the British had arrested apx 2,500 Jews the weeks before the bombing on trumped up charges, in order to appease the Arabs where were getting increasingly belligerant.

All this and more is why the Jews needed their independence from the British and the Arabs.

275 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:18 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: dennisw
They are an occupying force in someone elses country, thats why they are so well armed................
276 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:18 PM PST by John_11_25
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To: dennisw
Yeah. Israel Shahak, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finklestein, Ilane Pappe, etc., the usual assortment of leftists, marxists, revisionists and all around bad guys.
277 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:18 PM PST by Lent
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To: mijo
To rebut this book, issue by issue, out of context quote by out of context quote, historical fabrication by historical fabrication, would take a lifetime.

It is not a serious book - it is propaganda. That is why you see the "barf alert" type responses - to comment on any one inaccuracy almost makes it seem like the others are acceptable.

This is not the work of a misguided group. This is intentional propaganda.

278 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:18 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross
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To: monkeyshine
That's right. The British betrayed the Jews and the National Home fundamentally. They also took 9 months before they recognized the State of Israel.
279 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:18 PM PST by Lent
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To: John_11_25
Go join the idiot Taliban and Osama Bin Laden if you want Israel destroyed. I know your type. It's a sickness.
280 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:19 PM PST by dennisw
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