Anger seethes toward West - Muslims torn between love of Islam and America.

Calgary Sun ^ | November 11, 2001 | LICIA CORBELLA

[Travis McGee]

Sorry if we have a little problem with the millions of moslems who support the terrorists who brought this inferno to America screaming "ALLAH AKBAR!" as they slit stewardesses throats and flew the jets into buildings full of thousands of innocent civilians.

I am sure that most Germans in 1944 were "fine folks", but since their nation was led by insane killers, we had to fight them all until they were beaten.

So I don't care about what % of moslems are sincere in seeking only peace, because it's impossible to tell them from the covert Mohammed Attas, who are pretending peace while planning mass murder.

So I have a simple, but critical question for you to answer:

TELL US A SURE WAY TO TELL THE "COVERT ATTAS" FROM THE "PEACE AND HARMONY" MOSLEMS!

If you can't, then shut up, and get out of the way while we fight this war, abroad, AND ON THE HOMEFRONT!

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[dennisw]

Screw 'em. Hit 'em hard so they begin to "understand" us. That's all I care about. We are better than them so the burden is on them to "understand".

[dennisw]

One word for most of them (Muslims) who live here. TERMITES!

[dennisw]

As one Christian pastor who is familiar with Muslim countries wrote in an email recently: "Islam advocates and pleads for tolerance wherever it is in the minority; it advocates, implements and practices suppression and violence wherever it is in the majority."

Exactly what the Nazis and Commies used to do!

[bluester]

The truth is always somewhere in between. The one about 90% of Arabs believing that America got what it deserved is one of them. I read a number of surveys among Muslims and Arabs, and the vast majority did not agree with the terrorist attacks nor with Bin Laden. Even more not only Muslims or Arabs in general, Bin Laden does not have much support in Afganistan alone.

Did you see that brilliant yet horrifying report on CNN from a reporter that was in Afghanistan? Where she hiddenly filmed with a VHS camera the situation there, the terror of the talibans against Afghani civilians (massacres, executions), women and children including. Are you aware of what they'r doing towards their own people? If you had seen it, you would see that not only do they not represent Muslims throughout the world, but they don't even represent the people of Afghanistan. They claim to be behind Islam, yet there are many many Muslims that don't agree with them, don't accept their mentality, their repression, their cruelty.

And if you're still seriously telling me that ALL Muslims hate non Muslims, that Bin Laden has a full support in Afghanistan, you'r not aware of some very important facts. This is a fight against terrorism, not against a religion, or people of a religion. Why should someone pay for the actions of others? Can you tell me one good reason?

I very much hope that they destroy the whole Bin Laden/Taliban chain, as these are one of the most cruel, insane group of people living on earth, there is no doubt about that, and the terror they have caused in Afghanistan and around the world (terrorist attacks) must be stopped. But not by harming other innocent people, that have nothing to do with Bin Laden, who are even among his victims, or put a whole religion into an evil context and blame it for the actions of some individuals. Islam does not deserve it, as does no other religion in this world deserve such treatment because od some people.

That's the distinction I make, and I would never dare demonize all people of a certain religion, say that they’r all evil and dangerous, because I very well know that it’s not true.

[Travis McGee]

Why is it that moslem societies that are the most secular, paying bare lip service to islam and letting each person practice it (or not) in their own way are the most free? Turkey springs to mind.

Why is it that moslem societies that are the most religious, banning all books except the koran, teaching children to memorize the entire koran by rote memorization over and over many hours a day, are the most unfree and cruel?

It seems that the "more moslem" a society is, the more intolerant and vicious it becomes.

Can you explain this?

[bluester]

What you meant was the more fundamental the followers of a religion are, the more intolerant and vicious towards other they are. That's true. But that is not only in Islam. You have Christian fundamentalists that see no problem in killing doctors performing abortion, Jewish fundamentalists that that can't tolerate non-Jews among them. And I could find cases in other religions as well.

But those people do not represent the religion as a whole,not all people of that same religion agree with them, far from it. That's why I don't make generalized judgements because of SOME people and their actions. Of course I can agree that there's more of it in Islam, for numerous reasons (historical), and to some of them the west has contributed itself. Being a bit self-critical can be good as well sometimes, even in such times. It's not all black-white as some would like to see it. It never is.

[WhiteyAppleseed]

Sounds like someone or some thing turned down the flame firing this kettle we call a melting pot. I've heard more of this same anti-American mentality locally when a small local university hosted a kind of forum for some Islamic immigrants, allowing at least two to vent their spleen against the USA. One of them wasn't an immigrant; one was an American.

[CWRWinger]

I noticed last week, the large, Arab convenience store/gas station near where I work, took down its big "We Stand By America" banner. Hhhmmmmmm. Many Arabs work there.

[FreedomPoster]

The truth is that this is a moral code that preaches the killing and subjugation of non-believers. The truth is that many followers of this religion act on that belief system. The fact that not all believers do so does not make the belief system any more acceptable. While some individuals who call themselves Muslim are fine folks who act reasonably, the belief system itself is intrinsically flawed, and nothing an individual does can repair that flaw.

All the obfuscation in the world cannot cover up the above.

[FreedomPoster]

Sounds like they may be a good choice for a boycott.

[gohabsgo]

awesome article. One you'll never see from our gutless bedwetting leftist media. I'll make sure this gets much travel today and should every Freeper who reads it.

[dennisw]

You are as naive as the day is long.
All Muslims are not bad and out to wage Jihad but far too many are. 28 of the 30 wars going on involve Islam. Not all Muslims support the Jihadists but far too many do. Not all Muslims support the hijackers who killed 5000 people on 9-11-2001 but far too many do.

Islam is an in your face, aggressive religion that has been spread by force for centuries. From the first, Islam was spread by force. You cannot make the same claim for Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism .....All of which are being attacked by violent, radical Islam.

[Mamzelle]

Bump! Northernright, eh? Love it, love it. Love our rightwingchix.

[KC_for_Freedom]

Sounds a helluva like your typical Democrat, if you think about it.

I like the analogy, I read that the environment in Saudi Arabia is part of what lures these "highly educated" social misfits into terrorism. It seems that the oil money takes care of all the upper classes needs and so the heirachy has no need for enterprise on the part of its young. This leads them not to prepare for a career so they major in Islalmic studies. Then they feel anger at their lack of preparation for a life of work and reward. So they seek to undermine their own country. (By attacking the West and bringing the West down on them) I believe this is why Saudi Arabia finally cracked down on the bin Laden cells they could find in SA.

I know this ruins my theme about the religion having peaceful aspects if one is educated enough to find them so I will just add that if one cannot find a way to live in peace then we can help them quickly to leave this earth that has no place for them.

Now if we could figure out how the typical liberal grows up believing that if they bring this free country to ruin they somehow will survive and lead it into a socilist utopia we could quit and go have a beer.

[bluester]

Islam is an in your face, aggressive religion that has been spread by force for centuries. From the first, Islam was spread by force. You cannot make the same claim for Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism .....

Dennisw, you can call me naive, but I am not ignorant. Some basic historical knowledge should help. You had the Inquistion, Crusade Wars, colonization (Africa, South America).

Islam was not the only religion spread by force, a lot of nasty things were made in the name of Christianity as well, but we're not calling it evil, or people that are Christian either. Because it would be an insane thing to do.

You cannot make such generalized statements, because there are enormous differences even among a single religion itself, different countries, cultures, nationalities, even races that are part of a religion. And because of Bin laden and the talibans or some other Muslims that cause mayhem, I should then blame all Muslims around the world, call them all evil and murderous?. I can't even say that for Afghanistan alone, as the Talibans have terrorized their own people, are terrorizing them, Muslims and non Muslims. They don't just hate non-Muslims, they hate Muslims that don't agree with them, that don't accept their cruelty and mentality just as well. Do you know what they do to Afghani children and women? And you'r telling me it's Islam against other religions? When Muslims are victims themselfs of the Talibans?

Can't you understand that, and make that line? Or is it all so damn simple to you, and you're ready to demonize a whole religion, culture because of some people?

I have been witnessing so much hatred lately and the ammount of ignorance, prejudice, double standards is just amazing. As though as some people have just been waiting to show all of their hatred, that kthat they have an excuse to show it in all the worst possible way.

Well, not me. Sorry.

[dennisw]

#1 Please stop abusing and misusing the phrase *all Muslims*. No one is saying all Muslims. This is a straw man
#2 I knew you would bring up Christianity's past. We are talking about today. Islam is aggressive today while no other religion is.
#3 Furthermore, Islam was aggressive from the start and so is the Koran. Converting by the sword from the start. Unlike Christianity. You will find no aggressive equivalent in the New Testament

[dennisw]

Can't you understand that, and make that line? Or is it all so damn simple to you, and you're ready to demonize a whole religion, culture because of some people?

What you call some I call way too many. I don't care much for their repressive culture but would ignore them if they weren't mounting Jihads around the world.

Let me know when you find a Christian Jihad going on right now. Or a Jewish or Hindu one.

[bluester]

First of all I am not misusing or abusing the "all Muslims" term, it has been used here on numerous occasions. And most importantly, you haven't answered any of my questions. Either regarding Afghanistan, the talibans, or regarding the differences in Islam.

[a_Turk]

It seems that the "more moslem" a society is, the more intolerant and vicious it becomes.

Can you explain this?

Well, absolute power corrupts absolutely.. Any government which holds the key to both religious and civil governance will lose its measure. Think back to the history lessons on mideival Europe, where the excesses of the papacy were horrendous. How tolerant were Ferdinand and Isabella during their "Spanish Inquisition?"

It's a no brainer. Church and state must be seperate, and good, honest education must be very high on any agenda.

What's to say that a nation of mostly ignorants will beget a responsible, upright, and caring leader? We're at the mercy of the devil there my friend!