Posted on 11/08/2001 10:12:29 AM PST by Aquinasfan
Jer 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations
Okay, thanks. Now what?
Writen by man. Interpreted by man. Worth the paper it is writen on. No more. No Less
How convenient! Why do you use that as a test for personhood? Why not wait until the proto-human is able to provide for him/her self? This would give the parents a lot more time to decide whether they want to keep the little bugger. And what is this business about a soul? Why do you use theo-speek for a secular, purely rational decision?
Seriously if your going to use some arbitrary event like drawing the first breath why not use one that gives the prospective parents more freedom to choose. I mean after all that's what it's all about isn’t it? Choice, convenience, etc.
Because that is what I believe.
Why to you pray to Jesus. Why not pray to Odin?
Your wanton attacks on the public with the display of obscene images is quite disturbing. Methinks you are one sick puppy.
Because Jesus is the Son of God and odin is a fantasy, just like the belief that personhood begins with the act of drawing a breath.
Also if the pictures of aborted (murdered) children are obscene, isn’t the act that produced the subject matter obscene as well?
Honesty in the debate about abortion? Give me a break. Have you seen the grabage that has been posted here by the Pro-lifers?
Yesterday one of your fellow travelers stated that everyone who supports abortion should be tried for murder. That is the type of honest debate that brings distain to your cause. That and the public display of obscene images.
Yes, the Catholic Coalition for Public Pornography is warped. Very!
If you see that your position is in error, you should reject it and embrace the truth: that the soul comes into being at fertilization.
I was only acknowledging that you think my position in error.
Actually unborn children are considered persons for legal reasons in many cases. So it's not a myth. They myth is that designating some arbitrary point of personhood is anything but self-serving.
Care to comment on the obscene nature of the act that provides content for what you perceive as obscene pictures? Or are you going to take a pass on that comment for some reason?
This is a common misperception.
In almost all those cases those unborn children are not considered legal persons per se. The cases that seem to allow this concept are generally property cases. The law allows that these unborn children do have claims on property if they are born. In the case the case where the unborn dies before birth, the title of the property is not shown to have ever been in possesion of the unborn.
For example, death taxes. A person dies leaving property to an unborn. The property of the person who died is subjected to a death tax. If the unborn dies before birth, there is not another death tax levied. The property goes to the next person who has claims.
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