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Americans Would Have No Place to Go in Nuke Attack
news max ^ | Wednesday, Nov. 7, 2001 | Michael Betsch

Posted on 11/06/2001 1:40:41 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde

While U.S. political leaders are prepared to survive a nuclear attack, protecting the general public from radiation apparently is not part of the equation.

According to civil defense advocates, there's enough room in America's remaining Cold War-era fallout shelters only for members of Congress and other select government officials.

According to Ed York, a pioneer in U.S. nuclear weaponry, "The possibility that some terrorist group will be able to steal or buy or fabricate a weapon on their own is going up all the time," and some say that makes preparedness all the more important

As a member of the top-secret Manhattan Project in the 1940s, York is familiar with the design and potential of nuclear weapons for devastation. York said he was "lucky" to have been present at every nuclear test, including the "first nuclear detonation, the first air drop, the first balloon carry to the first underground."

York says Americans need more than luck when it comes to surviving a nuclear attack.

He notes the federal government has not developed any fallout shelters or equipment to protect the general population from a nuclear attack since the Cold War ended

The only people concerned about protecting American citizens from such attacks, he said, have been a handful of civil defense advocacy groups including Doctors for Disaster Preparedness (DDP

DDP President Dr. Jane Orient said she was concerned by the lack of civilian fallout shelters. There is "no place that they [civilians] know about; no place that's prepared."

Dismantled Under the Clinton Administration

The reason for this lack of preparedness, Orient said, is because fallout shelters in "all 50 states" were stripped of their supplies (water, food, blankets) and equipment (radiation detectors) more than five or six years ago." Most of the contents and materials from the shelters were auctioned off or disposed of, she added.

However, Orient said a number of civil defense advocacy groups managed to acquire several radiation meters from the state of Arizona. Those rescued devices were manufactured in the 1950s, but are still considered state-of-the-art since nothing has come along to replace them.

Although Arizona, for example, has a few radiation meters, Orient said many more are needed to adequately protect the residents of that state. Such instruments would enable those affected to determine the level of radiation outside before leaving the shelter.

Orient offered a hypothetical scenario that shows the need for radiation detection equipment and access to working fallout shelters.

If that soot raining down in Brooklyn [from the World Trade Center] had been radioactive," Orient said, "there would be many thousands, maybe millions of people dying slow, agonizing deaths from radiation sickness that could have been prevented had people had access to shelter."

On Sept. 11, after the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center, a steady stream of people crossed the Brooklyn Bridge by foot to escape Lower Manhattan

John Pike, a defense policy analyst and director of GlobalSecurity.org, added that "effective evacuation is very difficult" in an urban environment such as Manhattan. He also stressed the need for readily accessible and functioning fallout shelters, but dismissed the possibility of an impending nuclear attack on the U.S. by terrorists.

Rumors about missing 'suitcase' nuclear bombs have been floating around for over a decade," Pike said. "I cannot detect that the U.S. has taken these reports seriously or regarded as being credible

'There Are Thousands of Nuclear Weapons'

Orient strongly disagrees with Pike. "It's a very credible threat," she remarked. "There are thousands of nuclear weapons in the world. We don't know where all of them are

York, who once headed the NATO nuclear upgrade program, believes the probability of a single nuclear weapon being smuggled into the U.S. by a terrorist organization is "going way up because there are more countries that have stockpiles, especially countries like Pakistan, India and some of the republics of the former Soviet Union."

But York agrees it's unlikely that terrorists would detonate a suitcase bomb in the U.S. He said the bomb that a terrorist group would use is going to be "homemade, massive and either delivered by a ship or a pickup truck or something like that," he said.

According to Orient, it may be just a matter of time before terrorist organizations have the technology and capability to launch nuclear weapons against the U.S. She believes terrorists already are using "our stolen technology, or the technology that they were 'given' or 'bought' from us" to develop a sophisticated delivery system.

Orient wants Americans to realize that although nuclear weapons pose the threat of "awesome" devastation, such devastation is not "apocalyptic

She said she would continue to remind Congress and government officials that "the amount of damage that will be done and the ability to recover from it depends a lot on preparing in advance


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Comment #61 Removed by Moderator

To: one_particular_harbour
Yes it was. And lot's of good info on how to survive what many thought was unsurvivable. And that was worse-case; a full-blown Soviet mass attack. A few suitcase nukes are NOT gonna get us all. It will only turn certain areas in the Old World into melted glass, IMHO.
62 posted on 11/06/2001 3:19:18 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: nothingnew
What??? You weren't told to "drop" under your desk??? That's what they told US here in L.A. Unified back in the fifties. Oh, and we were told to put our backs to the windows, too. Yeah, that'll help!
64 posted on 11/06/2001 3:41:27 PM PST by Califreeper
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To: Alas Babylon!
Those who prepared for a possible Y2K event were mocked and ridiculed by many. Americans generally think serious preparation for such things as nuclear attack is only for nutcases and extremists.

A lot of people will die from a nuclear attack and it will be because of their own foolishness and lack of preparation. Americans have the ability to prepare themselves for disaster but make the choice not to do anything. The government has fooled the people into believing the government will protect them from whatever comes. The government has already proven it can no longer even control our borders. We are on our own to survive. A few will. Many won't.

65 posted on 11/06/2001 3:59:47 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: dasboot
Thanks for some common-sense comments.... I have a copy of that book; I 'borrowed' the idea of the title for this:

Nuclear, Biological, & Chemical Warfare- Survival Skills, Pt. II

There's a link in it to Kearny's book, which can be read/downloaded online; a lot of printing, though!

66 posted on 11/06/2001 4:22:26 PM PST by backhoe
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To: NAMMARINE
Post 23: WHO WOULD ????(HAVE A PLACE TO GO)

Post 42:FALL OUT SHELTERS????? LOL!!!!!

Post 63:TINFOIL.....WEAR IT ON YOUR HEAD ....THREE LAYERS!!!!!!!!!!

What don't I get?

67 posted on 11/06/2001 4:29:45 PM PST by dasboot
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To: backhoe
Backhoe,

Thanks for that swinging link. Added to my favorites for future reference.

Read your profile page last week ; I was impressed by something you wrote. You are truly a dude for all seasons.

68 posted on 11/06/2001 4:38:10 PM PST by dasboot
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
Is there no end to the damage this piece of trash has cost this country? And no cost will ever be required of him on this earth, he's free to pick up dumb blondes at cocktail parties with his, "I would handle a war better", line.
69 posted on 11/06/2001 4:38:35 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: vannrox

Thanks

70 posted on 11/06/2001 4:43:59 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: PennsylvaniaMom
If you are allergic to iodine, DO NOT take potassium iodine or potassium iodate. FYI...you can find out more at
www.ki4u.com
71 posted on 11/06/2001 5:22:06 PM PST by AZPatriot
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To: Sabertooth
Too funny Sabertooth! LOL
72 posted on 11/06/2001 8:47:23 PM PST by phasma proeliator
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To: Lady GOP
Got my own ammo, weapons, too, man, you are a deal too great to pass up, bringing you OWN guns and ammo...problem is, You're too downwind!! Come here instead!! The truck will haul the horses!! We'll need them to get around once the gas is gone! We'll live like Roy and Dale!
73 posted on 11/06/2001 10:00:18 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: MissAmericanPie
It seems to me he keeps sayin to help the 3rd world countries ,and in the meantime he was makin us one by destroying everything..
74 posted on 11/06/2001 10:07:42 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: Alas Babylon!
Dont forget your water heater in you home is a great storage supply of water.
75 posted on 11/06/2001 10:28:32 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: dasboot
Thanks for looking- hope you'll pass that link on to others.

I've always been a JOAT ( jack of all trades )--

76 posted on 11/07/2001 1:22:45 AM PST by backhoe
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
While U.S. political leaders are prepared to survive a nuclear attack, protecting the general public from radiation apparently is not part of the equation.

That's homeland defense working for you.

Ask for tax deductions when building a fall out shelter in your garden! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!


77 posted on 11/07/2001 1:31:39 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
I am not sure yet that this corrupt garbage hasn't killed us. He sells the terrorists the ability to communicate in ways that trump our CIA and FBI, he sells China our missle secrets, in exchange for political donations for Hillary he keeps the IRS off of CAIRs back while they support terrorist organizations. I feel about him like I do Ben Ladin, there is enough evidence that points to him to convict.
78 posted on 11/07/2001 3:11:59 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: PennsylvaniaMom
Yes, I am allergic to iodine. Even Betadyne swabs on my skin cause a reaction. Can't eat shrimp or take iodine dyes for MRIs, etc. Using Prednisone doesn't help much.
79 posted on 11/07/2001 6:15:23 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I am the same (no shellfish, no Betadine, no iodine, I even use non-iodolized salt). May I suggest, for your safety, (if you haven't already done so) get a MedicAlert tag. There is not one specific to iodine allergy, but I got the blank one and had it engraved. If you were in an accident, were unconscious, and were given a scan w/an iodine tracer you could do much more harm. Its better to be safe.
80 posted on 11/07/2001 5:56:35 PM PST by PennsylvaniaMom
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