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Americans Would Have No Place to Go in Nuke Attack
news max ^ | Wednesday, Nov. 7, 2001 | Michael Betsch

Posted on 11/06/2001 1:40:41 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde

While U.S. political leaders are prepared to survive a nuclear attack, protecting the general public from radiation apparently is not part of the equation.

According to civil defense advocates, there's enough room in America's remaining Cold War-era fallout shelters only for members of Congress and other select government officials.

According to Ed York, a pioneer in U.S. nuclear weaponry, "The possibility that some terrorist group will be able to steal or buy or fabricate a weapon on their own is going up all the time," and some say that makes preparedness all the more important

As a member of the top-secret Manhattan Project in the 1940s, York is familiar with the design and potential of nuclear weapons for devastation. York said he was "lucky" to have been present at every nuclear test, including the "first nuclear detonation, the first air drop, the first balloon carry to the first underground."

York says Americans need more than luck when it comes to surviving a nuclear attack.

He notes the federal government has not developed any fallout shelters or equipment to protect the general population from a nuclear attack since the Cold War ended

The only people concerned about protecting American citizens from such attacks, he said, have been a handful of civil defense advocacy groups including Doctors for Disaster Preparedness (DDP

DDP President Dr. Jane Orient said she was concerned by the lack of civilian fallout shelters. There is "no place that they [civilians] know about; no place that's prepared."

Dismantled Under the Clinton Administration

The reason for this lack of preparedness, Orient said, is because fallout shelters in "all 50 states" were stripped of their supplies (water, food, blankets) and equipment (radiation detectors) more than five or six years ago." Most of the contents and materials from the shelters were auctioned off or disposed of, she added.

However, Orient said a number of civil defense advocacy groups managed to acquire several radiation meters from the state of Arizona. Those rescued devices were manufactured in the 1950s, but are still considered state-of-the-art since nothing has come along to replace them.

Although Arizona, for example, has a few radiation meters, Orient said many more are needed to adequately protect the residents of that state. Such instruments would enable those affected to determine the level of radiation outside before leaving the shelter.

Orient offered a hypothetical scenario that shows the need for radiation detection equipment and access to working fallout shelters.

If that soot raining down in Brooklyn [from the World Trade Center] had been radioactive," Orient said, "there would be many thousands, maybe millions of people dying slow, agonizing deaths from radiation sickness that could have been prevented had people had access to shelter."

On Sept. 11, after the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center, a steady stream of people crossed the Brooklyn Bridge by foot to escape Lower Manhattan

John Pike, a defense policy analyst and director of GlobalSecurity.org, added that "effective evacuation is very difficult" in an urban environment such as Manhattan. He also stressed the need for readily accessible and functioning fallout shelters, but dismissed the possibility of an impending nuclear attack on the U.S. by terrorists.

Rumors about missing 'suitcase' nuclear bombs have been floating around for over a decade," Pike said. "I cannot detect that the U.S. has taken these reports seriously or regarded as being credible

'There Are Thousands of Nuclear Weapons'

Orient strongly disagrees with Pike. "It's a very credible threat," she remarked. "There are thousands of nuclear weapons in the world. We don't know where all of them are

York, who once headed the NATO nuclear upgrade program, believes the probability of a single nuclear weapon being smuggled into the U.S. by a terrorist organization is "going way up because there are more countries that have stockpiles, especially countries like Pakistan, India and some of the republics of the former Soviet Union."

But York agrees it's unlikely that terrorists would detonate a suitcase bomb in the U.S. He said the bomb that a terrorist group would use is going to be "homemade, massive and either delivered by a ship or a pickup truck or something like that," he said.

According to Orient, it may be just a matter of time before terrorist organizations have the technology and capability to launch nuclear weapons against the U.S. She believes terrorists already are using "our stolen technology, or the technology that they were 'given' or 'bought' from us" to develop a sophisticated delivery system.

Orient wants Americans to realize that although nuclear weapons pose the threat of "awesome" devastation, such devastation is not "apocalyptic

She said she would continue to remind Congress and government officials that "the amount of damage that will be done and the ability to recover from it depends a lot on preparing in advance


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our stolen technology, or the technology that they were 'given' or 'bought' from us" to develop a sophisticated delivery system.

We all know it's Clinton who did this

1 posted on 11/06/2001 1:40:42 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
More importantly, how do you do the color fade on the font? Very cool.
2 posted on 11/06/2001 1:43:55 PM PST by Blueflag
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To: Blueflag
Yeah - DAMN cool!
3 posted on 11/06/2001 1:47:24 PM PST by phasma proeliator
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To: Blueflag
Military troops observe a nuclear test at the Nevada Test Site in November 1951
  Military troops observe a nuclear test at the Nevada Test Site in November 1951


VIPs observing the atmospheric detonation of a nuclear bomb at Enewetak in 1948

VIPs observing the atmospheric detonation of a nuclear bomb at Enewetak in 1948


The atmospheric detonation of a nuclear bomb

The atmospheric detonation of a nuclear bomb


A 21 kiloton underwater nuclear weapons effects test

 A 21 kiloton underwater nuclear weapons effects test


Underground Nuclear Explosion

Last American Underground Nuclear Explosion


Mini Nuke Explosion http://www.petermacnicol.com/IMAGES/nuke.gif

4 posted on 11/06/2001 1:48:28 PM PST by vannrox
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
Not to take away from your post - sorry, but the font fade is pretty impressive.
5 posted on 11/06/2001 1:48:32 PM PST by phasma proeliator
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
protecting the general public from radiation apparently is not part of the equation.

However the politicians, and liberal socialist have forgotten one thing. When the taxpayers are gone they will have no one to tax, and no one to rule over, so you don't have to worry about getting nuked. We will have all chiefs and no indians then.

6 posted on 11/06/2001 1:49:11 PM PST by chainsaw
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To: phasma proeliator
Thank you.........
8 posted on 11/06/2001 1:54:02 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
We've pretty much known there are no provisions for civilians, for a long time now.
9 posted on 11/06/2001 1:54:59 PM PST by Selara
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To: vannrox
Let's hope we never see any of those
10 posted on 11/06/2001 1:56:27 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
You work too hard....................

I hope you have a macro for that. goodness.

11 posted on 11/06/2001 1:57:33 PM PST by Blueflag
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To: Selara
We've pretty much known there are no provisions for civilians, for a long time now.

Exactly...me kneelin' against the brick wall with my head between my knees at my old grammar school (circa 1956) ain't gonna save my head or my arse...DUH!

FMCDH

13 posted on 11/06/2001 2:01:51 PM PST by nothingnew
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
The secret to survival of a nuclear attack was known and implemented in the 50s, then discarded. Does everyone have their fallout shelter stocked up?

What fallout shelter, one might ask.

14 posted on 11/06/2001 2:02:30 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: Blueflag; phasma proeliator
how do you do the color fade on the font? Very cool.

Step back from the font!

It's a radioactive byproduct of the deadly cobalt HTML.


15 posted on 11/06/2001 2:02:32 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: vannrox
Feeling a little unsafe here on the east coast. You would have to leave the country to be safe. Havent been to Canada in a few years but going to have to find out more. Its time for a permanent solution for the *&$^^%$ towelheads.
16 posted on 11/06/2001 2:03:21 PM PST by Lady GOP
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
Terrorists will nuke NY
17 posted on 11/06/2001 2:05:03 PM PST by Lady GOP
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To: nothingnew
Quick! Under your desk! Keep your back to the windows and cover your head with your arms. And no talking.

No talking during a nuclear attack.

18 posted on 11/06/2001 2:05:21 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
present at every nuclear test, including the "first nuclear detonation, the first air drop, the first balloon carry to the first underground

The first balloon carry ... now that's a scary thought that I hadn't considered for an enemy to deliver a weapon.

19 posted on 11/06/2001 2:05:41 PM PST by TexasChip
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
"Americans Would Have No Place to Go in Nuke Attack"

Wow, what news. You heard it first, hear at FR.

Actually, I always figured I'd be perfectly safe if I headed for me old grammas house. She keeps a lotta cheese in the cellar.

20 posted on 11/06/2001 2:07:27 PM PST by tpaine
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