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City Journal ^ | Autumn 2001 | Farrukh Dhondy

Posted on 11/05/2001 7:16:37 AM PST by aculeus

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To: father_elijah
WOW!! This one is above and beyond!! Thanks for the ping!
21 posted on 11/05/2001 9:56:22 AM PST by dennisw
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To: ipaq2000; Lent; veronica; Sabramerican; beowolf; Nachum; BenF; monkeyshine; angelo...
WOW!! This one is above and beyond!!
22 posted on 11/05/2001 9:56:56 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Eye-opening read!
23 posted on 11/05/2001 10:01:09 AM PST by Lent
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To: TopDog2; harpseal; Travis McGee; Victoria Delsoul; Spirit Of Truth; Manny Festo...
growl!


24 posted on 11/05/2001 10:02:40 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Lent
Being from India, the author has got their number. He understands the Muslim mindset more than any nice naive Englishman or American ever could. Just like VS Naipaul.

Author has been well acquainted with Muslim aggressiveness for longer than he ever wanted to be.

25 posted on 11/05/2001 10:08:18 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Very interesting. Very.
26 posted on 11/05/2001 10:48:02 AM PST by Nachum
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To: dennisw
Thanks, neighbor- I'm busier than a cat on a hot tin roof right now with housework, so don't have much to say, but I'll add this to the next DUBOB update. Americans need to read this stuff!
27 posted on 11/05/2001 10:50:36 AM PST by backhoe
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To: dennisw
Scary. But to speak out against a Muslim invasion of the West is to invite charges of racism and xenophobia.

They come to the West using our liberal immigration laws knowing full well they will impose their laws on us as soon as they are able...but if we point this out, or any view contrary to the "Islam is Peace" line, we are attacked and villified.

28 posted on 11/05/2001 11:01:02 AM PST by GuillermoX
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To: aculeus
The problem exists in the U.S. to an even greater extent. About 80% of the mosques in the U.S. are financed by the Saudis, and follow the fundmentalist Wahhabi tradition. It's almost as retrogressive as the Taliban variety of the Muslim religion.

By the way, if you want to know if your local mosque is Wahhabi, just walk in and look around. Wahhabi mosques are NOT intensely decorated on almost every surface as are most non-Wahhabi Sunni or Shi'ite mosques. They are relatively plain.

29 posted on 11/05/2001 11:07:16 AM PST by Magician
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To: aculeus
I am sure we all get it, or let me say, any thinking person gets it. Now what to do about it becomes the next question, I know this, government worldwide will not only do nothing productive about the problem, but will hinder any solution. Most are to busy disarming their citizens to pay attention to much else.
30 posted on 11/05/2001 11:09:08 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: aculeus
A very interesting post, and worth reading all the way through.

I question his idea of a "reformation" of Islam as being the solution, however. The Christian "Reformation," including not only Protestantism but the Catholic movement known as the Counter-Reformation, basically built on things that were inherent in Christianity from the beginning, but had been somewhat obscured in the course of centuries of struggles between absolutist secular rulers and the rulers of the Church.

Free will and individual conscience? These things were part of Christianity from the very beginning. One of the most significant steps towards the equality of women, for example, was the fact that under Christianity, women had to give their consent to a marriage, and could not be married against their will. In practice, of course, they often were, especially those who were members of royal families, who seem to have been doled out to other royal houses purely in order to form alliances. But the principle was there, and was very important.

Islam has never had this principle of sovereign individuality; remember, even the name of the religion means "submission." In contrast, Christianity was spread by missionaries who suffered themselves (the martyrs), not by "missionaries" who made others suffer (as Islam has always done). Christianity was not based on the sword, either before or after the Reformation; Islam has been that way since its very beginnings.

In short, I'm not sure that any reform is possible. Perhaps ignoring it, as secularized Muslims do, is about the only solution, if one still wants to consider oneself Muslim. Or maybe it's time for these people to start searching out other possibilities.

31 posted on 11/05/2001 11:26:16 AM PST by livius
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To: aculeus
Great post! Thanks for finding it.
32 posted on 11/05/2001 11:52:10 AM PST by white trash redneck
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To: MissAmericanPie
I'll bump THAT!

Most are to busy disarming their citizens to pay attention to much else.

33 posted on 11/05/2001 11:55:01 AM PST by packrat01
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To: aculeus
....and that Christians were an ancient military enemy.

That's okay. I'm thinking of an old enemy also. The one they represent.

35 posted on 11/05/2001 12:05:20 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Sabertooth
"The vast number of Muslims in Britain and the U.S. who are educated in Western disciplines and culture, who live by the demands of Western ways of work, are driven by a conflict between the prescriptions of Islam and the freedom to think, speak, and associate, and to be protected by democracy and Western jurisprudence. These Western Muslims will have to resolve their dilemma by seeding the reformation in Islam.

"True, passages in the Quran urge believers to "kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them" and to wage war on neighboring infidels. But a hundred suras of the Quran also enjoin the faithful to tolerance: one specifically says that killing one innocent person is akin to the murder of the whole world."

That depends on who the "innocent" person is. To a Muslim, a terrorist is an innocent person.
36 posted on 11/05/2001 12:06:43 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Anamensis
Radical Islam is the anti-Christ!!! imho
37 posted on 11/05/2001 12:08:30 PM PST by Ann Archy
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To: Victoria Delsoul
To a Muslim, a terrorist is an innocent person.

Unless, of course, that terrorist is a Zionist. ;^)


38 posted on 11/05/2001 12:21:01 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: MaxwellWolf
How can it be forwarded to all the journalists and pundits who are taking out of their rearends? I don't know how to do it--does anyone have an email list of journalists and anchors and other such people who should read this?
39 posted on 11/05/2001 12:33:17 PM PST by IceGirl2
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To: Sabertooth
Right! ;-)
40 posted on 11/05/2001 12:33:48 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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