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Classic Baseball Writing: "99 Reasons Why Baseball is Better Than Football"
The Heart of the Order (New York: Doubleday, 1990) | First published: January 1987 | Thomas Boswell

Posted on 11/04/2001 5:43:34 PM PST by BluesDuke

Some people say football's the best game in America. Others say baseball.

Some people are really dumb.

Some people say all this is just a matter of taste. Others know better.

Some people can't wait for next Sunday's Supper Bowl. Others wonder why.

Pro football is a great game. Compared with hockey. After all, you've gotta do something when the wind chill is zero and your curve ball won't break. But let's not be silly. Compare the games? It's a one-sided laugher. Here are the first 99 reasons why baseball is better than football. (More after lunch.)

1. Bands.

2. Halftime with bands.

3. Cheerleaders at halftime with bands.

4. Up With People singing "The Impossible Dream" during a Blue Angels flyover at halftime with bands.

5. Baseball has fans in Wrigley Field singing "Take Me Out To The Ball Game" at the seventh-inning stretch.

6. Baseball has Blue Moon, Catfish, Spaceman and the Sugar Bear. Football has Lester the Molester, Too Mean, and the Assassin.

7. All XX Super Bowls haven't produced as much drama as the last World Series.

8. All XX Super Bowls haven't produced as many classic games as either pennant playoff did in 1986.

9. Baseball has a bullpen coach blowing bubble gum with his cap turned around backward while leaning on a fungo bat; football has a defencive coordinator in a satin jacket with a headset and a clipboard.
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10. The Redskins have thirteen assistant coaches, five equipment managers, three trainers, two assistant GMs, but for fourteen games nobody who could kick an extra point.

11. Football players and coaches don't know how to bait a ref, much less jump up and down and scream in his face. Baseball players know how to argue with umps; baseball managers even kick dirt on them. Earl Weaver steals third base and won't give it back; Tom Landry folds his arms.

12. Vince Lombardi was never ashamed that he said "Winning isn't everything; it's the only thing."
(Note: Lombardi didn't exactly say that - what he did say was "Trying to win is the only thing." But he never - not once! - tried to correct the distorted record. - BD.)

13. Football coaches talk about character, gut checks, intensity and reckless abandon. Tommy Lasorda said: "Managing is like holding a dove in your hand. Squeeze too hard and you kill it; not hard enough and it flies away."

14. Big league baseball players chew tobacco. Pro football linemen chew on each other.

15. Before a baseball game, there are two hours of batting practise. Before a football game, there's a two-hour traffic jam. (Note: This is inoperative when referring to Dodger Stadium. - BD.)

16. A crowd of 30,000 in a stadium built for 55,501 has a lot more fun than a crowd of 55,501 in the same stadium.

17. No one has ever actually reached the end of the rest room line at an NFL game.

18. Nine innings means eighteen chances at the hot dog line. Two halves meand BYO or go hungry.

19. Pro football players have breasts. Many NFLers are so freakishly overdeveloped, owing to steroids, that they look like circus geeks. Baseball players seem like normal fit folks. Fans should be thankful they don't have to look at NFL teams in bathing suits.

20. Eighty degrees, a cold beer, and a short-sleeve shirt are better than thirty degrees, a hip flask, and six layers of clothes under a lap blanket. Take your pick: sunshine or frostbite.

21. Having 162 games a year is 10.125 times as good as having 16.

22. If you miss your favourite NFL team's game, you have to wait a week. In baseball, you wait a day.

23. Everything George Carlin said in his famous monologue is right on. In football you blitz, bomb, spear, shiver, march and score. In baseball, you wait for a walk, take your stretch, toe the rubber, tap your spikes, play ball, and run home.

24. Marianne Moore loved Christy Mathewson. No woman of quality has ever preferred football to baseball.

25. More good baseball books appear in a single year than have been written about football (Note: In my copy, the typsetter misspelt the word this way: "footfall". How appropriate! - BD.) in the past fifty years. The best football writers, like Dan Jenkins, have the good sense to write about something else most of the time.

26. The best football announcer ever was Howard Cosell.

27. The worst baseball announcer ever was Howard Cosell.

28. All gridirons are identical; football coaches never have to meet to go over the ground rules. But the best baseball parks are unique.

29. Every outdoor park ever built primarily for baseball has been pretty. Every stadium built with pro football in mind has been ugly.

30. The coin flip at the beginning of football games is idiotic. Home teams should always kick off and pick a goal to defend. In baseball, the visitor bats first (courtesy) while the host bats last (for drama). The football visitor should get the first chance to score, while the home team should have the dramatic advantage of receiving the second-half kickoff.

31. Baseball is harder. In the last twenty-five years, only one player, Vince Coleman, has been cut from the NFL and then become a success in the majors. From Tom Brown in 1963 (Senators to Packers) to Jay Schroeder (Jays farm system to Redskins), baseball flops have become NFL standouts.

32. Face masks. Right away we've got a clue something might be wrong. A guy can go 80 mph on a Harley without a helmet, much less a face mask.

33. Face masks are better than helmets. Think of all the players in the NFL (excluding your local team) whom you'd recognise on the street. Now eliminate the quarterbacks. Not many left, are there? Now, think of all the baseball players whose faces you know, just from the last Series.

34. The NFL has - how can we say this? - a few borderline godfathers. Baseball has almost no mobsters or suspicious types among its owners. Pete Rozell isn't as picky as Bowie Kuhn, who for fifteen years considered "integrity of the game" to be one of his key functions and who gave the cold shoulder to the shady money guys.

35. Football has Tank and Mean Joe. Baseball has the Human Rain Delay and Charlie Hustle.

36. In football it's team first, individual second - if at all. A Rich Milot and a Curtis Jordan can play ten years - but when would we ever have time to study them alone for just one game? Could we mimic their gestures, their tics, their habits? A baseball player is an individual first, part of a team second. You can study him at length and at leisure in the batter's box or on the mound. On defence, when the batted ball seeks him, so do our eyes.

37. Baseball statistics open a world to us. Football statistics are virtually useless or, worse, misleading. For instance, the NFL quarterback ranking system is a joke. Nobody understands it or can justify it. The old average-gain-per-attempt rankings were just as good.

38. What kind of dim-bulb sport would rank pass receivers by number of catches instead of number of yards? Only in football would a runner with 1,100 yards on 300 carries be rated ahead of a back with 1,000 yards on 200 carries. Does baseball give its silver bat to the player with the most hits or the player with the highest average?

39. If you use NFL statistics as a betting tool, you go broke. Only wins and losses, points and points against and turnovers are worth a damn.

40. Baseball has one designated hitter. (And that's one too many, but never mind! - BD) In football, everybody is a designated something. No one plays the whole game anymore. Football worships the specialists. Baseball worships the generalists.

41. The tense closing seconds of crucial baseball games are decided by distinctive relief pitchers like Bruce Sutter, Rollie Fingers or Goose Gossage. Vital NFL games are decided by helmeted gentlemen who come on for ten seconds, kick sideways, spend the rest of the game keeping their precious foot warm on the sidelines and aren't aware of the subtleties of the game. Half of them, in Alex Karras's words, run off the field chipring, "I kick a touchdown."

42. Football gave us the Hammer. Baseball gave us the Fudge Hammer.

43. How can you respect a game that uses only the point after touchdown and completely ignores the option of a two-point conversion which would make the end of football games much more exciting? (Note: The NFL now uses the two-point conversion - they must have been reading Boswell! - BD.)

44. Wild cards. If baseball can stick with four divisional champs out of twenty six teams, why does the NFL need to invite ten of its twenty-eight to the prom? Could it be that football isn't terribly interesting unless your team can still "win it all"? (Note: The good news is that the NBA and the NHL are even worse. This was written well before baseball went to the current assoholic division and wild card alignments. Sorry, but Boswell had it right the first time, and wake up, baseball: If the team didn't finish the season with its butts parked in first place, it's wait till next year and be gone with this wild card chazerei...and while we're at it, return the League Championship Series to a best-of-five, exterminate regular-season interleague play, and return the World Series to the position of honour it deserves! - BD)

45. The entire NFL playoff system is a fraud. Go on, explain with a straight face why the Chiefs (10-6) were in the playoffs in 1986 but the Seahawks (10-6) were not. There is no real reason. Seattle was simply left out for convenience. When baseball tried the comparably bogus split-season fiasco with half-season champions in 1981, fans almost rioted. (Maybe fans should almost riot now until the time-honoured championship system is restored to baseball once and for all? - BD)

46. Parity scheduling. How can the NFL defend the fairness of deliberately giving easier schedules to weaker teams and harder schedules to better teams? Just to generate artificially improved competition? When a weak team with a patsy schedule goes 10-6, while a strong defending division champ misses the playoffs at 9-7, nobody says boo. Baseball would have open revolt at such a nauseatingly cynical system. (That was then, this is now - I say again, restore the proper baseball championships and, while we're at it, return to two divisions in each league and cut the scheduling crap! - BD)

47. Baseball has no penalty for pass interference. (This in itself is almost enough to declare baseball the better game.) In football, offsides is five yards, holding is ten yards, a personal foul is fifteen yards. But interference: maybe fifty yards.

48. Nobody on earth really knows what pass interference is. Part judgment, part acting, mostly accident.

49. Baseball has no penalties at all. A home run is a home run. You cheer. In football, on a score, you look for flags. If there's one, who's it on? When can we cheer? Football acts can all be repealed. Baseball acts stand forever.

50. Instant replays. Just when we thought there couldn't be anything worse than penalties, we get instant replays of penalties. Talk about a bad joke...

51. Football has Hacksaw. Baseball has Steady Eddie and the Candy Man.

52. The NFL's style of play has been stagnant for decades, predictable. Turn on any NFL game and that's just what it could be - any NFL game. Teams seem interchangeable. Even the wishbone is too radical. Baseball teams' styles are often determined by their pesonnel and even their parks.

53. Football fans tailgate before the big game. No baseball fan would have a picnic in a parking lot.

54. At a football game, you almost never leave saying, "I never saw a play like that before." At a baseball game, there's almost always some new wrinkle.

55. Beneath the NFL's infinite sameness lies infinite variety. But we aren't privy to it. So what if football is totally explicable and fascinating to Dan Marino as he tries to decide whether to audible to a quick trap? From the stands, we don't know one thousandth of what's required to grasp a pro football game. If an NFL coach has to say, "I won't know until I see the films," then how out-in-the-cold does that leave the fan?

56. While football is the most closed of games, baseball is the most open. A fan with a score card, a modest knowledge of the teams and a knack for paying attention has all he needs to watch a game with sophistication.

57. NFL refs are weekend warriors, pulled from other jobs to moonlight; as a group, they're barely competent. That's really why the NFL turned to instant replays. Now old fogies upstairs can't even get the make-over calls right. Baseball umps work ten years in the minors and know what they are doing. Replays show how good they are. If Don Denkinger screws up in a split second of Series tension, it's instant lore. (And a St. Louis Cardinals sh@tfit. - BD)

58. Too many of the best NFL teams represent unpalatable values. The Bears are head-thumping braggarts. The Raiders have long been scofflaw pirates. The Cowboys glorify the heartless corporate approach to football.

59. Football has the Refrigerator. Baseball has Puff the Magic Dragon, the Wizard of Oz, Tom Terrific, Doggie, Kitty Kat and Oil Can.

60. Football is impossible to watch. Admit it: the human head is at least two eyes shy for watching the forward pass. Do you watch the five eligible receivers? Or the quarterback and the pass rush? If you keep your eye on the ball, you never know who got open or how. If you watch the receivers...well, nobody watches the receivers. On TV you don't even know how many receivers have gone out for a pass.

61. The NFL keeps changing the most basic rules. Most blocking now would have been illegal use of the hands in Jim Parker's time. How do we compare eras when the sport never stays the same? Pretty soon, intentional grounding will be legalised to protect quarterbacks.

62. In the NFL, you can't tell the players without an Intensive Care Unit report. Players get broken apart so fast we have no time to build up allegiances to stars. Three quarters of the NFL's starting quarterbacks are in their first four years in the league. Is it because the new breed is better? Or because the old breed is already lame? A top baseball player lasts fifteen to twenty years. We know him like an old friend.

63. The baseball Hall of Fame is in Cooperstown, New York, beside James Fenimore Cooper's Lake Glimmerglass; the football Hall of Fame is in Canton, Ohio, beside the freeway.

64. Baseball means Spring's Here. Football means Winter's Coming.

65. Best book for a lifetime on a desert island: The Baseball Encyclopedia.

66. Baseball's record on race relations is poor. But football's is much worse...why is a black quarterback still as rare as a bilingual woodpecker?

67. Baseball has a drug problem comparable to society's. Football has a range of substance-abuse problems comparable only to itself. And, perhaps, the Hell's Angels'.

68. Baseball enriches language and imagination at almost every point of contact. As John Lardner put it, "Babe Herman did not triple into a triple play, but he did double into a double play, which is the next best thing."

69. Who's on first?

70. Without baseball, there'd have been no Fenway Park. Without football, there'd have been no artificial turf.

71. A typical baseball game has 9 runs, more than 250 pitchers and about 80 completed plays - hits, walks, outs - in 2 1/2 hours. A typical football game has about five touchdowns, a couple of field goals and fewer than 150 plays spread over 3 hours. Of those plays, perhaps 20 or 25 result in a gain or loss of more than 10 yards. Baseball has more scoring plays, more serious scoring threats and more meaningful action plays.

72. Baseball has no clock. (Thank God! - BD.
) Yes, you were waiting for that. The comeback, from three or more scores behind, is far more common in baseball than football.

73. The majority of players on a football field in any game are lost and unaccountable in the middle of pileups. Confusion hides a multitude of sins. Every baseball player's performance and contribution are measured and recorded in every game.

74. Some San Francisco linemen now wear dark Plexiglas visors inside their face masks - even at night. (This horrid trend has caught on elsewhere in the NFL since. - BD.) "And in the third round, out of Empire U., the 49ers would like to pick Darth Vader."

75. Someday, just once, could we have a punt without a penalty?

76. End-zone spikes. Sack dances. Or, in Dexter Manley's case, "holding flag" dances.

77. Unbelievably stupid rules. For example, if the two-minute warning passes, any play that begins even a split second thereafter is nullified. Even, as happened in this season's Washington-San Francisco game, when it's the decisive play of the entire game. And even when, as also happened in that game, not one of the twenty-two players on the field is aware that the two-minute mark has passed. The Skins stopped the 49ers on fourth down to save that game. They exulted; the 49ers started off the field. Then the refs said, "Play the down over." Absolutely unbelievable.

78. In baseball, fans catch foul balls. In football, they raise a net so you can't even catch an extra point.

79. Nothing in baseball is as boring as the four hours of ABC's Monday Night Football.

80. Blowhard coach Buddy Ryan, who once gave himself a grade of A+ for his handling of the Eagles. "I didn't make any mistakes," he explained. His 5-10-1 team was 7-9 the year before he came.

81. Football players, somewhere back in their phylogenic development, learned how to talk like football coaches. ("Our goals this week were to contain Dickerson and control the line of scrimmage.") Baseball players say things like, "This pitcher's so bad that when he comes in, the grounds crew drags the warning track."

82. Football coaches walk across the field after the game and pretend to congratulate the opposing coach. Baseball managers head right for the bear.

83. The best ever in each sport - Babe Ruth and Jim Brown - each represents egocentric excess. But Ruth never threw a woman out a window.

84. Quarterbacks have to ask the crowd to quiet down. Pitchers never do.

85. Baseball nicknames go on forever - because we feel we know so many players intimately. Football monikers run out fast. We just don't know that many of them as people.

86. Baseball measures a gift for dailiness.

87. Football has two weeks of hype before the Super Bowl. Baseball takes about two days off (Usually. - BD.) before the World Series.

88. Football, because of its self-importance, minimises a sense of humour. Baseball cultivates one. Knowing you'll lose at least sixty games every season makes self-deprecation a survival tool. As Casey Stengel (He managed the Original Mets. - BD) said to his barber, "Don't cut my throat. I may want to do that myself later."

89. Football is played best full of adrenaline and anger. Moderation seldom finds a place. Almost every act of baseball is a blending of effort and control: too much of either is fatal.

90. Football's real problem is not that it glorifies violence, though it does, but that it offers no successful alternative to violence. In baseball, there is a choice of methods: the changeup or the knuckleball, the bunt or the hit-and-run.

91. Baseball is vastly better in person than on TV. Only when you're in the ballpark can the eye grasp and interconnect the game's great distances. Will the wind blow that long fly just over the fence? Will the relay throw nail the runner trying to score from first on a double in the alley? Who's warming up in the bullpen? Did the base stealer get a good jump? The eye flicks back and forth and captures everything that is necessary. As for replays, most parks have them. Football is better on TV. At least you don't need binoculars. And you've got your replays.

92. Turn the car radio dial on a summer night.

93. George Steinbrenner learned his baseball methods as a football coach.

94. You'll never see a woman in a fur coat at a baseball game.

95. You'll never see a man in a fur coat at a baseball game.

96.A six-month pennant race. Football has nothing like it.

97. In football, nobody says "Let's play two!" (In fairness, they don't in baseball anymore, and that is a crime. Bring back the Sunday doubleheader! - BD.)

98. When a baseball player gets knocked out, he goes to the showers. When a football player gets knocked out, he goes to get X-rayed.

99. Most of all, baseball is better than football because spring training is less than a month away.


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To: RonDog
I thought Carlin was actually saying baseball has the better of it. But I suppose anyone can read it any way they wish. That said...

Football is played in any kind of weather: Rain, snow, sleet, hail, fog...can't see the game, don't know if there is a game going on; mud on the field...can't read the uniforms, can't read the yard markers, the struggle will continue!

That was true especially of the 1958 game in which the Giants advanced to the league championship game said to have put the NFL on the nation's map once and for all: it snowed at Yankee Stadium that day and when Pat Summerall kicked the winning field goal, the field was so blanketed that it was almost impossible to tell from where Summerall was kicking. I've seen films of the game over the years and I still don't know where he began!
21 posted on 11/04/2001 8:40:25 PM PST by BluesDuke
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To: Nate505
Carlin may have been reading A. Bartlett Giamatti when he dreamed up his routine: Baseball teaches us that, long as you travel and far as you roam, the purpose is to get back home, back to where the others are. (From "Men of Baseball, Lend An Ear," published in The New York Times during the 1981 baseball strike.)
22 posted on 11/04/2001 8:41:54 PM PST by BluesDuke
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To: 2Trievers
Thanks much for posting the George Carlin routine. It is classic, because it is so true, and so beautiful.

The only cloud is what the current Commissioner, "Bud Lite" Selig, may do to ruin this glorious game. Rumors of contraction -- eliminating franchises -- abound. A nasty labor dispute looms (remember, it was Selig who cancelled the end of the 1994 season over a labor dispute). Deference is given to the big money clubs, and for franchises struggling to survive in smaller markets, Selig's answer is to eliminate them.

I fear for the game, when it's in the hands of someone like Selig: so much power, so little imagination and vision.

23 posted on 11/04/2001 8:43:29 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: BluesDuke
Don't get me wrong, I like both sports. But your original post automatically made me think of that routine....and that's a very nice quote.
24 posted on 11/04/2001 8:45:57 PM PST by Nate505
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To: Alabama_Wild_Man
College Football is the Only remaining sport that 'Pride' can ever be considered as part of the game.

If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. (If you think baseball players don't play it for pride, you sure weren't watching this year's World Series, for openers...)

In 'Pro (Insert Game here)'....money has taken over almost every aspect of 'Pro (Copy Name of Game Here).

And what the hell did you think "pro(fessional)" meant...inspired amateurism? (If you think money hasn't taken over college football, you're living in a dream world. Either that or you're not much associated with how many alumni or alumni associations laying bucks and goodies onto college football players until they get caught with their hands in the cookie jars...) Remember, as George Will reminded us: No fan in the history of organised sports has ever paid admission to see a team's owner. (Mario Lemieux and Michael Jordan don't count.) Except, maybe, for Yankee fans of the 1980s who had become fed up with the antics of their team's owner. (Memory runs to the chants: Steinbrenner Sucks! Steinbrenner Sucks! And, to the Banner Day parades dominated by phalanxes of anti-Steinbrenner signs - Steinbrenner actually tried to have anti-Steinbrenner signs banned at the House That Ruthless Rebuilt, until the ACLU threatened to step in - and, one year, a rather inspired soul who came to the parade dressed as a monk carrying the sign, Father, Forgive Him, For He Knows Not What He Does...)
25 posted on 11/04/2001 8:48:03 PM PST by BluesDuke
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To: My2Cents
Forget not, too, that it was with no little help from Bud Lite that Chicago White Sox czar Jerry Reinsdorf was able to bring off the putsch against baseball's last legitimate commissioner, Fay Vincent.
26 posted on 11/04/2001 8:49:58 PM PST by BluesDuke
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To: My2Cents
If I were a baseball fan, I'd also be a bit concerned about the fact that the Yankees have won -- what is it? -- five of the last seven World Series, or something like that. And they damn near just won this one too.

How long will the fans of other teams put up with this crap? Thirty something teams in the league, and the same fricking team wins almost every year? Hell, the yankees have won more Series in one decade than any other team has won in the entire history of baseball, I think. Come to think of it, I think the Yankees have won it on average about once every three years since the beginning of major league baseball!

I'd feel like quite a fool if I continued to root for, say, the Cubs or the Red Sox!

27 posted on 11/04/2001 8:53:49 PM PST by RussP
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To: RussP
So I guess you had trouble with the curve, the yakker,the Uncle Charlie, the pitch that had the 'bottome fall out' of it?

It's a hard game. The problem is these guys make it look like anyone can do it. That just isn't the case.

As for trotting, you rarely see a baserunner trotting when the ball is in the gap or hit in the hole b/w short and third. For that matter, when a ball is hit in the gap, no one on the field is trotting. Everyone has a job to do.

In football, once a back has cleared the hole, the fat lineman on both sides of the ball turn and watch while pulling up their pants. (Broad stroke w/ a paint brush comment, just like yours :).

28 posted on 11/04/2001 8:57:48 PM PST by harbinger of doom
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To: RussP
So I guess you had trouble with the curve, the yakker,the Uncle Charlie, the pitch that had the 'bottome fall out' of it?

It's a hard game. The problem is these guys make it look like anyone can do it. That just isn't the case.

As for trotting, you rarely see a baserunner trotting when the ball is in the gap or hit in the hole b/w short and third. For that matter, when a ball is hit in the gap, no one on the field is trotting. Everyone has a job to do.

In football, once a back has cleared the hole, the fat lineman on both sides of the ball turn and watch while pulling up their pants. (Broad stroke w/ a paint brush comment, just like yours :).

29 posted on 11/04/2001 8:58:07 PM PST by harbinger of doom
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To: RussP
I tuned in just in time to see the winning run driven in. Looked like a bloop hit to me. What a dud of a way to decide the winner of the World Series.

Any hit resembles a bloop when you have your outfield pulled in a little much. I have always thought that if the team in the field is dumb enough to pull the outfield in in the ninth inning, they're all but saying take me, I'm yours! Very bad strategy. I would have put the infield back to double-play depth in that situation and kept the outfield in standard alignment. But what do I know? That's baseball. You never know until you know. This Series assuredly was not over until it was over.

I actually think baseball could be a lot more exciting. That's not saying much, of course, but what the heck. I'd start by doing something to reduce the number of home runs. Watching guys trot around the bases is a complete and utter DUD.

Ain't gonna happen. You want a guy who just shot one into the seats to run like Secretariat? Reality check, folks. He's just hit himself a free ride around the bases. Save the steamrolling for when it matters, like if you're trying to take the extra base ahead of an outfielder with a howitzer for a throwing arm.

Watching a guy slide into third base or home plate on a close play, on the other hand, is exciting -- but it hardly ever happens.

That's what you think. Happens more often than you realise. Oh, yes - I forgot. You only watch the highlights.

The field needs to be bigger, or the ball needs to be softened up or something. Whatever it takes to make those overpaid bastards RUN instead of trot around the bases!

Baseball on the field isn't broken. (Well, maybe just one place: make the umps start calling the real strike zone - the one in the rule book - between the shoulders and the knees.) Don't try to fix it.
30 posted on 11/04/2001 9:02:03 PM PST by BluesDuke
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To: harbinger of doom
George Brett did have the gap double trot down to an art. However, he was no loafer.

Oh yea, sorry for the twin posting as opposed to a twin killing.

31 posted on 11/04/2001 9:02:35 PM PST by harbinger of doom
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To: harbinger of doom
So I guess you had trouble with the curve, the yakker,the Uncle Charlie, the pitch that had the 'bottome fall out' of it?

Memory recalls Dwight Gooden calling his curve ball Lord Charles. (Small wonder - when it worked right, that curve ball was dangerous. I'd never seen a better pure overhand curve since Koufax.) Not to mention what George Bamberger called his Staten Island sinkerball. (Translation: spitball. And, yes, I'd like to see the pitch re-legalised.)
32 posted on 11/04/2001 9:11:56 PM PST by BluesDuke
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To: BluesDuke
I like Daryl Kile's curve and Mussina's knuckle curve. Gooden was nasty, what with the measly heat he brought. How about Ryan's curve?
33 posted on 11/04/2001 9:16:43 PM PST by harbinger of doom
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To: harbinger of doom
Gooden was nasty, what with the measly heat he brought. How about Ryan's curve?
more arm and shoulder miseries than the pure power pitchers do; Stottlemyre was finished with such miseries after ten respectable seasons).

Ryan's curve ball was a decent curve ball. But for awhile, he was also throwing a changeup that was pretty nasty, had an interesting little break on it where it looked like it would turn down but then kind of jump as it reached the plate. He threw it for a couple of years when he was with the Astros, as I remember...
34 posted on 11/04/2001 9:21:45 PM PST by BluesDuke
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To: harbinger of doom
Gooden was nasty, what with the measly heat he brought. How about Ryan's curve?

. Gooden's heat didn't become "measly" until Mel Stottlemyre, then his pitching coach, and in the one big mistake he ever made in a distinguished career as a pitching coach, counseled Gooden in spring 1986 to knock it off with the strikeouts and get some more "finesse" in the repertoire. Gooden's heater was never quite the same again and, sure enough, in short enough order Gooden began having to deal with shoulder miseries. Which showed what Stottlemyre learned from his own career (the finesse/junkballers usually deal with more arm and shoulder miseries than the pure power pitchers do; Stottlemyre was finished with such miseries after ten respectable seasons).

Ryan's curve ball was a decent curve ball. But for awhile, he was also throwing a changeup that was pretty nasty, had an interesting little break on it where it looked like it would turn down but then kind of jump as it reached the plate. He threw it for a couple of years when he was with the Astros, as I remember...
35 posted on 11/04/2001 9:22:49 PM PST by BluesDuke
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To: BluesDuke
Baseball, apart from being an elegant, beautiful game, is the AMERICAN past time!

Whenever someone says "I don't like baseball", I always say, "What are you, a communist or something?"

Football is brutish, ugly, violent, impersonal, and often boring. I know lots of people think its the best thing since sliced bread, but I just don't see it.

And while there are exceptions, most baseball players are pretty humble, down-to-earth guys. Many football players are flashy, egotistical braggarts with an inflated sense of self-importance, not to mention a tendency towards violence, drug abuse, etc.

The biggest reason baseball is better than football (or basketball, for that matter), is that you don't have guys doing stupid dances, or grandstanding whenever they make a play (in other words, whenever they simply do their job).

Baseball = class, tranquility, individual responsibility and achievement.

Football = low-brow, thick-skulled, Roman Colisseum circus, designed to satisfy the blood-lust of the ignorant masses.

36 posted on 11/04/2001 9:25:00 PM PST by Sicon
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WAIT...baseball is so much fun they made a girls version of it, softball. Of course, you've got chick basketball too and now there is no checking chick hockey. But there is only one original manly man's sport. Football is 4 quarters testosterone laden fun. As Peggy Noonan so wonderfully proclaimed a couple of weeks ago, Men are BACK!!!
37 posted on 11/04/2001 9:32:56 PM PST by iranger
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I know baseball is a hard game to play well. Believe me, I tried very hard as a kid. My point is that baseball just isn't exciting enough. Then again, I probably haven't watched more than one complete inning for years, so who am I to say. I do know that the highlights bore me to tears. On the other hand, I enjoy watching football highlights -- when my wife lets me.
38 posted on 11/04/2001 9:35:27 PM PST by RussP
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To: BluesDuke
Whether it's played at night or dawn
baseball is still a yawn
39 posted on 11/04/2001 9:35:42 PM PST by poet
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Football is 4 quarters testosterone laden fun.

You need more than testosterone to be a manly man, my friend. If I want to see gang warfare, I don't have to shell out for a football game - I live only 45 minutes from south central L.A.

poet: Baseball, as a wise man once posited, is a yawn only to people with yawning minds.
40 posted on 11/04/2001 9:40:43 PM PST by BluesDuke
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