Justice Department won't let (FBI) agent testify (in Nichol's state trial)

Indianapolis Star ^ | November 3, 2001 | JAMES PATTERSON

[OKCSubmariner]

While Terry Nichols, already convicted on federal charges in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, returned to court Monday to face the state's case against him, the government was squirming to squelch evidence that Nichols and Timothy McVeigh did not act by themselves.

[AtticusX]

Thank you and God Bless you for your courage, your service to the nation and to Oklahoma. Thank you for helping Mrs Davis and all of on the FreeRepublic who care like you about preserving the Constitution, our freedoms. Our forefathers would be proud of your service and sacrifices.

I couldn't have said it better myself OKCSub; I heartily agree. I would make one small change to your missive if it were mine - I would add your name to Blue's.

To you gentlemen patriots I say "Bravo"

Atticus

[AtticusX]

Judge Matsche (an ex-FBI agent himself) refuses to this day to unseal crucial evidence, even for Nichols' trial. Why is this?

Maybe he's run out of daughters?

Go-go, thanks to you too, for all your tireless efforts to keep us informed. I appreciate you.

Atticus

[AtticusX]

Now, you are sounding like a fanatic. Until you can give me a convincing argument as to why the Bushes would allow Reno to get away with this, when they are running a political campaign against her in FLA, I will disregard your posts.

As we shall disregard yours. Get a clue, do some reading, do your own research. OKCSub is much too busy to play your little reindeer games.

[AtticusX]

Hello my Friend, it's so good to see you again.

[Aurelius]

BUMP

[AtticusX]

Forget speculative discussion of motive and look at the facts; that's precisely what EarlyBird appears to want people NOT to do.

Bingo. Now that EarlyBird's obvious and pitiful efforts to disrupt this thread have been pegged, no more time should be expended on his reindeer games. Must be a slow day at the ShillHouse. Or, wait a minute, hey! _Jim, is that you under that bird costume?

[AtticusX]

Judge,

I am sorry to hear of your mother-in-law's illness.

My prayers and thoughts are with you and your family. God bless you all.

Atticus

[_Jim]

News Flash (for immediate release):

Freepers Waste Monumental Amounts of Time

This precious 'waste of time' has been accomplished by a dedicated group of slightly above average 'tin-foilers' trying to reconfigure the past by now dwelling on the Nichols case DESPITE a wealth of evidence proving his guilt BEYOND that required shadow of a doubt -

- evidence that, to date, has NEVER been examined for FEAR that they might discover the REAL truth (that TRUTH being that McVeigh and Nichols were responsible for the bombing of the Murrah building) ...

[rdavis84]

"Daniel Casolaro found what he called "the octopus" and now he is dead, while the book he was writing/the story that was to be written... You're alive and Danny's not. Why?"

I know you addressed that to OKCS, but since I've noticed that OKCS has expressed his Christianity several times, I'd like to input on that.

The "Octopus" is "Evil". I don't mean just 'bad', I mean EVIL like in Satanic. We're in a death battle that has Satan supporting his minions in supernatural ways. Some of it involves death, some ruining of people's lives, and creating and re-enforcing Fear.

Whether Casolaro ever voiced or noted that Head of the Octopus is not particularly significant now. If he'd written his book and included that observation, it would have been handily dismissed by those who Choose not to believe that. If you do, that's fine by me. I'm not an Evangelist. If you're an adult, your soul is in your control.

But any others who read this need to mull my comments, and try to come up with a non-faith based answer to why the Blindness that is now obvious is adhered to in spite of massive evidence that what I've pointed out is the most viable answer.

[AtticusX]

You're the newest member of the Flying Monkey Brigade, just another in a whole parade of them

[Memphis Schmuel]

..."then LOOK at what's been going on for a long time, give it a critical eye.
We have two political parties, apparently carved in stone, but not legally, it just is. (T)hey go way, way, way out of their way to make sure that no other parties get much press, or that election rules and running are easy, and etc.
The media is controlled, never forget that.
The "media" is owned by (about) a dozen people.
These people are buddies with the very top levels in the D's and R's, plus with the international money men-it's all a big club.
No matter which party is "in power" in congress or the executive branch, we have seen the step by step advancing towards a truly global fascist state, with the US as being the apparent "leader".
Look at all the bogus laws passed, the gradual rise of the governmental bureaucracy, the sheer numbers involved.
Look at the treaties, the selling out of the workplace, at all the undeclared wars, the 'executive orders" used to run extremely important 'things" which are suposed to be done by "congress".
...It's a good cop/bad cop scam routing being run, run by skilled actors and international power brokers and money men. They are all GREAT at rousing the rabbles-one side or the other-to support them, always blaming the other guy for what goes wrong.
Same scam been running for decades and decades, but-SURPRISE! Nothing changes really, except for the worse.
Minor differences in rhetoric, but where the rubber meets the road-it's always the same ole same ole. They ALL make big money and stay in complete power running the scam. There is ZERO profit in it for any of them in stopping the scam, none. One hand washes the other.
The coverups continue because they are all in on it, it's worth trillions and trillions of dollars and life and death POWER over millions of people. Pure megalomania, institutionalised, cheered on, paid for, VOTED for.
Except at the excrutiatingly high levels, even their true believer supporters mostly can't see it, and really don't want to see it, because they really want honest government, and desperately want the system to work, so they develop blinders.
It's just human nature, you really don't want to believe you are supporting a lie, or profiting from a lie, so it goes on. The liars have everything to gain from maintaining all the lies, that's the nature of liars, and if they are megalomaniacs as well....you get the picture.
Sure they have some squabbles with each other, but think of them as wolves fighting over the herd. They STOP fighting each other if the herd looks like they have noticed that there really aren't that many wolves, so they pick a few out and sacrifice them, to get the herds all squared away again, back to grazing, in either this wolfs pasture or that wolfs pasture, as long as they know their place, keep grazing, and never see the true nature of the wolves, or how few wolves there really are.
...We have predators "ruling" us, they most definetly do NOT lead, they rule.
They are FIRST allied to each other as being wolves, you and I they consider part of the herd. The wolves may fight each other occassionally, but never stop being fellow wolves with each other.
Never. Carved in stone.
94 posted on 11/3/01 9:54 PM Central by zog"

I too think this is how it is.
It's an everyday fact that there are people who will literally kill you for the lousy 50 bucks you might have in your pocket, so why wouldn't other people do whatever they have to do to maintain control of enormous power and money?
Not pleasant to consider, but nevertheless true.
I think the only chance of ever turning this around is by breaking up the consolidated control of the media outlets. Get some independent truth out to the average citizen.
Whenever that does happen, the response is always immediate.
But that is number one, two and three; get the microphone back.

[honway]

Ashcroft and Mueller are no better than Reno and Freeh when it comes to the corruption, the perjury and the obstruction of justice by FBI and DOJ officials

Thanks for the informative post. I agree with your assessmment. One possible explanation for the Bush Administration's complicity in the cover-up is that a determination has been made that the public could not handle the truth.

If all that you know and have effectively reported concerning OKC was revealed to the public at large, confidence in our government by the masses would be irrevocably shaken. The result would negatively effect the existing power structure and our economy.

The goal of those in power appears to be long term political and economic stability at the price of truth, justice and individual liberty.

Personally, I agree with James Garrison:

"Let the truth be told, though the heavans fall."

[karebare]

Mayor Guilliani? I think he is wanting to turn the World Trade Towers remains into a monument. Is he trying to cover something up too?

I love it!! Finally a motive!! You are good.

[honway]

This precious 'waste of time' has been accomplished

_Jim

Do you have the intelluctual honesty to consider how the events of September 11 may have been different if the Iraqi and Osama bin Laden link to OKC as reported by OKCSub and others on this forum had been pursued by the Justice Department and the War on Terrorism had been launched in response to the bombing of the Murrah Building.

Do you accept individual responsibility for your role in aiding and abetting the terrorists responsible for OKC who were not prosecuted by attacking the good work of OKCSub. Talk to the number two man at DOD, Mr. Wolfowitz and have him explain to you the role of Iraq in the OKC Bombing, or read his view in U.S. News. Now we know Iraq played a role in 9-11.

I am happy to say the time I spent here was reading the work of good men and women trying to prevent another OKC Bombing. I am sad to say your many hours were spent at contributing to a repeat of OKC by advocating the guilty go unpunished, free to attack again.

And they did attack again.

How do you sleep when you consider the side you are on? I wasted some time here, but the really important waste was the unnecessary loss of over 5,000 lives.

I don't expect a response.

[OKCSubmariner]

In reply #127 you wrote:

"You're alive and Danny's not. Why?"

Good question.

I give all honor and glory to God in Heaven and His Son, Jesus Christ who is my personal savior and Lord. I serve Him as He pleases. For now He has chosen to allow me to live to serve His purposes. I must be obedient to His will, even if some day it should mean in His Infinite Wisdom that I am no longer alive on this Earth.

I try to tell it straight, like it is, not to equivocate and to be a faithful and true witness. I want to save the lives and souls of men, women and children. I do not want to be swallowed by a whale as was Jonah by holding back.

Caleb and Aaron were permitted by God to survive in the wilderness for 40 years when other Israeli men died because they did God's will and told the truth and did not equivocate or lie about the "giants" inhabiting the Promise land as did the other Israelis.

Of course, my life could be like Jeremiah or Daniel living in the hands of the enemy or even like Moses who "slipped up" and struck the Rock and went to eternity early.

Along the way I will be afflicted as Job by Satan as God permits. This is why I pray the Lords prayer "lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil".

The blessed hope of all believers is to spend eternal life with God and their savior, Jesus Christ. Whether it be by natural causes (death-could be a traffic accident, cancer or perhaps at the hands of an enemy) or by supernatural cause (Rapture), I look forward to and long for seeing and being with God and Jesus soon. Our redemption is drawing much closer in space and time-Look Up!

Please do not misunderstand me. I do not know if I am favored by God, but even if I am it is because of God’s loving kindness to me and this nation, it is not because of good works or because of flawless character, because I fall way short on both counts. This is why I put my trust in Jesus Christ who is faithful to forgive me and set my paths straight.

God chooses whom He will to let live for as long as He chooses for His purpose and in accordance with His will. I chose to be seen by God trying to do His work and to be on His side and I am confident that God and Jesus Christ will take care of me for now and for eternity.

It is an honor to know Jesus Christ, to live in these times in such a blessed country, and to have an opportunity to witness to my fellow citizens of the truth of the times and of God's great love for us through His Son Jesus Christ.

You know, GOd is pleading with the hearts and minds of officials and citizens in this country to become closer to Him in their values and judgments. Maybe not all of the people God has permitted me to talk to and write about are not yet as hardened criminal killers as those Danny Cassalaro dealt with, even though they are corrupt and unwise. God will give them and this country as many chances to change their minds and hearts as HE chooses since HE is long suffering.

I am concerned however, that murder of innocent Christians in our land and any major betrayal of Israel and Jerusalem by our current leaders could lead God to decide the End has come, time is no more, and God will execute His judgments on the Earth and this nation.

But before the End, as we see and hear of wars and rumors of wars, God will give more chances to turn to Him by His giving signs and by having two of His servants prophesy against the AntiChrist and his system and cause no rain until they are beheaded and then resurrected in front of the world in Jerusalem.

I really do appreciate the spirit in which your replies have been intended. But I must press on in the race with prudence, wisdom and determination.

Let us all continue to love others as God and Jesus have loved us. Let us lead others in this land to earthly and eternal security through truthful knowledge and belief and trust in Jesus Christ.

Honoring the Ten Commandments is vital to our security.

We will fall short of the mark, but we can hold up and honor the mark, the standards we should live by. Jesus Christ will forgive us when we fall short if we love and follow Him and repent as we strive to keep His commandments.

[honway]

This is why I pray the Lords prayer "lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil".

The entire reply is well stated. Bookmarked and saved.