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Suitability of Ruger Mini 14 Rifles and .223 Ammo
Self ^ | 10-2-2001 | Don Myers

Posted on 11/02/2001 7:08:49 PM PST by Don Myers

This is a pure vanity. We have been doing a lot of talking about terrorism and the "war." I have two Ruger Mini 14s. Well, one is a Ranch Rifle and one is a Mini 14. They are virtually the safe rifle with minor differences. I have not even been able to fire them yet. A local police agency turned them in to a local gun store. I think that I should have bought more of them. The Ranch rifle has a scope.

Anyway, I am sure there are many of you who have these guns. I am curious as to what you think about the suitability of the gun and the ammo in a self-defense role in which rifles may be used. There may be a time when a rifle may be necessary to repel multiple hostiles.


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To: Don Myers
Don, you are well armed with the Mini if it feeds properly with your magazines and if you put in some range time learning to shoot it, supported and offhand, and get acquainted with its accuracy. 200yds is probably pushing it as far as accuracy but it will still hit plenty hard at that distance.

Don't bet your life on these rifles until you have thoroughly checked out the whole weapon system consisting of your rifles, your mags, your ammo and your sights. It's no good finding out in an emergency situation that your scope rings are loose or that your cases are sticking in the chamber. You may also consider a sling for prone but you need to spend some range time learning to sling up quickly and comfortably.

Also, see how the rifles eject. I have been pelted so hard on the noggin by guys with new Minis firing Russian steel case ammo that I refuse to set up within six firing points on the right side of a Mini. A little gunsmith work on the ejector spring would fix this.

Have fun with them!

61 posted on 11/02/2001 7:56:38 PM PST by SBprone
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To: DCBryan1
" I dont waste my $2.50 rd per shot ammo on anything under 1200m. "

You are a wise and knowledgable person
The M82a1 is about 4900.EB around here

63 posted on 11/02/2001 7:59:25 PM PST by Pete-R-Bilt
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To: dep
a good 12-gauge riot gun

One word -- Messy.

64 posted on 11/02/2001 8:01:22 PM PST by oyez
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To: Sgt. Fury
"get an AK-47 clone for $200-300."

I have one in .223. What is your experience with them?

65 posted on 11/02/2001 8:02:01 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: dep
Take a gander at the articles on Olympic Arms about 223 penetration.
I was a 223 skeptic till reading that and hearing some real world examples of what happens after the bullet enters a body. Totally devasting!
66 posted on 11/02/2001 8:02:54 PM PST by lelio
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To: SBprone
"Have fun with them!"

Thanks. I have had them apart for cleaning. I have noticed on one of them that if I don't have the fore-end screws set right, the bolt will lock up on me. Do you have any knowledge of this?

68 posted on 11/02/2001 8:04:31 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: DCBryan1
DCBryan1: "get the 55gr russian crap"

A word of caution on the Wolf ammo. It's lacquer finish melts in a hot chamber, and, when cooled, sticks badly. I tried wolf once and had a stuck round that almost ruined the chamber. The bolt stuck and took a rod down the barrel to dislodge it. The lacquer had become damned near a glue.

69 posted on 11/02/2001 8:05:25 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: DCBryan1
I didnt say I would snipe with the Ruger...(unless I was 50 yrds away), but my Remington consistantly puts shots in a 4"group at 700 yards.

I shoot with a guy who won the top civilian service rifle at Perry a few years ago(missed overall by one point) and he can't hold that with his 40-x in 7mm-08 at 600. (I have seen him go clean with 200-12X and consistently shoot 195s+ with a service rifle in bad conditions at 6.) It is considerably easier to dope the wind with a 7mm-08 or .308 than any load in a .223 (including the 80's which I doubt the Remington will even stabilize. I don't know the twist off the top of my head.) I know you might hold that for maybe a 3 shot group once in a while, but consistently 4"s????? That is some real shooting.

70 posted on 11/02/2001 8:07:37 PM PST by Nov3
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To: PatrioticAmerican
A word of caution on the Wolf ammo
Heard that from a fellow shooter, and it is also on the Olympic Arms site. Hey I should be a spokesman for their website!
71 posted on 11/02/2001 8:08:47 PM PST by lelio
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To: PatrioticAmerican
DCBryan1: "get the 55gr russian crap"

I said this ammo was better than using your fist or throwing rocks at an enemy....but funny you should mention the lacquer problem...never thought of that...we shoot full auto and of course we "gum up" our guns...but we have break free and boiling water handy on those big mg shoots for corrosive and "crap" ammo.

72 posted on 11/02/2001 8:11:06 PM PST by DCBryan1
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To: Sgt. Fury
My old stainless steel (then painted black with engine paint) mini 14 never, and I mean NEVER jams. OTOH, I have had a CAR-15 blow up next to me when it was fired with a wet gas tube after exiting the water, after correctly pulling the bolt back and tipping the barrel up etc. The residue in the gas tube sometimes holds the water... And that was not the only time I have seen one that blew up that way. (To me, a rifle must be ready to fire right out of the water.) No rifle is perfect.
73 posted on 11/02/2001 8:11:10 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Sgt. Fury
" life-saving equipment"

A wise man. I call my scuba gear, dirt bike, and my gun the same thing: Life support equipment. Underwater, in the air, or in a gun fight, equipment is life supporting equipment, not just gear.

74 posted on 11/02/2001 8:12:32 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Sgt. Fury
Even a new AR needs to prove itself at the range. The term "short-stroking" is familiar to everybody who uses the black rifle in service rifle competition. It could be an out of spec buffer spring or maybe just the finish on the bolt carrier rails before it wears off, but many new ARs need a few hundred rounds to settle in before they will run properly.

Of course, once they settle in they are dead nuts reliable!

75 posted on 11/02/2001 8:13:16 PM PST by SBprone
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To: Don Myers
Another great gun thread! Let me share some thoughts, abuse at will....

You are discussing a semi-auto rifle for defensive purposes. You can't let that be the end of the conversation. When you are considering a firearm's properties, and how it will apply to your specific needs, think of you needs in "rings".

The first ring is 'immediate'. That means anything you have might work: .22, .32, .380, 9mm, etc. (a .25, as Jeff Cooper states, may only antagonize your opponent and make him emotional...). This ring is to about the standard 7 yards. (I can't help but put a plug in for a compact .45...).
The next ring is out to about 25 yards. Maybe a nine, but again, .45 rules.
Next is 25-100 yards. Here, shotguns rule.
Then comes the 100-200 yard range. This is the forte of the average battle rifle, and deer rifle. Your 7.62x39 is about the equivalent of your Winchester .30-30. Keep that in mind, you SKS and AK owners! (for thread fidelity, also the Mini-s).
Beyond 200 yards, you can inflict lethal wounds on your deer-sized opponents, but usually only by chance. Here you need a thirty caliber rifle. A bolt action .30 cal will suit nicely unless you are facing the Jihad-hoarde. FN-FALs do well for hoarde suppression, as do M1s.
The bottom line, and my recommendation for an arsenal is: .45 ACP for close, 12 ga. for intermediate, .30 cal for long (semi- or bolt).
The trick is to determine what your specific needs are based on your anticipated situation.

Flame on!

Kit.

76 posted on 11/02/2001 8:13:53 PM PST by KitJ
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To: Travis McGee
Plus, you can mount a cheap night vision scope in any detachable mount behind the red dot sight for night use.

Not in California. :-(

77 posted on 11/02/2001 8:14:04 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Nov3
With light to NO WIND, the heavy barrel and Leupold scope will let the 68 gr. Federal Gold Match .223 sail right down to 600-700m easily...our range on Camp Robinson Arkansas national Guard base has a 1000m range for machine guns and snipers....we use that range b/c it has 15 foot high banks and trees on each side....

With no wind in Pierre, SD (a very very rare event), we hit groundhogs very infrequently at 600m-700m. But it can be done with good equipment, good training, lots of practice, and God on your side holding the wind back for you.

78 posted on 11/02/2001 8:15:07 PM PST by DCBryan1
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To: xm177e2
Por que no?
79 posted on 11/02/2001 8:16:35 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: DCBryan1
"on those big mg shoots "

bragger!

P.S. If you reload, Bushmaster has PMC 223 brass for about $25 delivered per 1,000. Using Benchmark powder (outstanding temperature stability and consistant velocity), and a variety of bullets (55gr Noslers Ballistic tips my favorite, cost more though) I reload for about $120-$140 per 1,000, and get near match grade ammo that I trust. I also seal the primers and crimp with a professionally result.

80 posted on 11/02/2001 8:18:23 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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