Posted on 11/02/2001 7:08:49 PM PST by Don Myers
This is a pure vanity. We have been doing a lot of talking about terrorism and the "war." I have two Ruger Mini 14s. Well, one is a Ranch Rifle and one is a Mini 14. They are virtually the safe rifle with minor differences. I have not even been able to fire them yet. A local police agency turned them in to a local gun store. I think that I should have bought more of them. The Ranch rifle has a scope.
Anyway, I am sure there are many of you who have these guns. I am curious as to what you think about the suitability of the gun and the ammo in a self-defense role in which rifles may be used. There may be a time when a rifle may be necessary to repel multiple hostiles.
And I should do nothing to interfere with your way!...an armed society is a polite society.
I've seen many pistoleros who could do things with a .32 or even a .25, that others could not accomplish with a .40 or .45. It all depends on mission requirements, and the individual's willingness to maximize one's proficiency with the weapon.
Personally, I carry a large enough frame that I can conceal my .40 Colt, even in casual clothes. In a sports jacket, I can pack my Desert Eagle in a custom shoulder holster. These are the weapons I train and practice with habitually, because I know they are the ones I'll have with me if needed. I never answer the door without one of the two tucked in the back of my belt.
that and a starlight scope controls 1000m in the dark.
Yes, they are. You can buy the civilian version of the AK 47, or the MAK 90 which is the AK but with different woodwork. I have two MAK 90s in 7.62 X 39MM, and I have Chinese SKSs as well. They are nice guns.
I'd say you need a little more time at the range...maybe with a coach. A trip to the optometrist's office may not be out of the question either.
try marriage counseling first.
dep
When it gets cold enough to wear a jacket, I will probably carry my Sig Model 239 in .40 Cal. I like to go lighter when I don't wear a sweater or jacket.
I use .223 in my Remington 700 PPS, MR15 HB Target, Colt SP1, Colt Model 614, HK53a1, HK33A2, Colt M16a1, Olympic Arms M4 Carbine, and my Ruger KAC-556F (full auto Ruger). I didnt say I would snipe with the Ruger...(unless I was 50 yrds away), but my Remington consistantly puts shots in a 4"group at 700 yards. My AR15HB....oh 500 yards is an easy shot....I have a confirmed kill on a ground hog at 643 yards...not bad for a breeze in Pierre, SD.
NOTICE: Dear ATF I have Form 4 for all guns. (THEY ARE LEGAL)! Please don't kill me over paperwork or B.S.
...and the .22 in your pocket kicks butt on the dozen .45's you left in the safe.
unless you're left-handed.
dep
/1/ With the money you save buying a mini-14 instead of an AR-15 variant, you can buy two minis, or a trunkload of ammo for practice or for WTSHTF. Two people firing two rifles is way way more effective than one guy firing a slightly better AR-15 variant, you can cover each other during movement etc.
/2/ They are "PC". Some states will not let you own an unregistered AR-15 "assault rifle" with its eee-villl pistol grip etc, but think that mini-14s are just dandy. This means you can take your mini to the range and get practice, as opposed to hiding your AR-15 from the BATFags.
/3/ They are very robust and will feed most any ammo, assuming good mags. They will work when soaking wet, they have no thin gas tube to clog and malfunction if you need to cross a river and fire in shoulder deep water. Don't laugh, the best place to shoot is where the bad guys are NOT looking, like out across the swamp behind them.
/4/ All .223s in general are great because you can carry over twice the ammo for the same weight as a .308 battle rifle. A typical load is 13 X 30 round mags, four per ammo pouch on your belt, plus one in the rifle. 13 X 30 = 390 rounds. This compares to 9 X 20 round mags in .308 in the same pouches, plus one in the rifle, for 180 rounds. Since the .308 battle rifle will typically weigh 2-4 pounds more than the .223 rifle, give the .223 rifleman a few more 30 round mags. If you are not being followed by a Humvee or helo resupplying you with ammo, (you won't), then what you can carry may have to last a LONG time. Better 400+ rounds of .223 than 180 rounds of .308 for the same weight which YOU will have to carry. It's not armchair ballistics theory, it's pounds on your belt and back.
/4/ .223, at 3,000+fps and very narrow, goes through kevlar like a knife through butter, nuff said. Shotgun pellets and pistol ammo, (including pistol ammo firing SMGs) will not.
Is an AR-15 rifle better? Without a doubt. Do they both fire the same round? Yes. Are they both effective in a running gun battle at street distances out to 200 yards? You bet. But I'd rather have two riflemen with minis working in concert than one with an AR-15 any day, and the cost is the same either way.
Now putting a scope on a mini is kind of debatable, because the rifle's inherent accuracy is not that good. I'd put a red-dot sight on the ranch rifle, nothing is faster on target! And it works by itself in any light where you can see a target. Plus, you can mount a cheap night vision scope in any detachable mount behind the red dot sight for night use. The NV scope does not even need a reticle, you will see the red dot (it will look green but work the same) just fine, and be able to hit targets at full effective range at night. This is critical, since if your advrsary has a NV capabiltiy and you don't, you are screwed. And if you do and he doesn't, HE is screwed.
One downside of the minis is the magazines, they suck, and are costly and hard to find. Get at least 6 for each rifle. What you don't have in accuracy you must be ready to make up in rapid suppressive fire.
If you shop the net at sportsmansguide.com or ammoeric.com or cheapasdirt.com you will be able to get decent ammo at near $0.10 per round in bulk.
Hope that this helped.
That sounds serious.
I see you mentioned .308 in hk
I forgot to mention...my HK51B is for sale....its a short-barreled HK that has a HK21 belt fed tray on it...its a real fire breather...you can have it for $9,500 plus your $200 ATF tax...if you live in a class 3 friendly state.
Yes, it did. Thanks.
Already have two of them....$6000 you can have my used one.
I like my Catepillar Co. M2 HB .50 better....and oh, for 500m or yd shots...I stick to .223, .300 win mag, .308, or .30-06...I save my .50 cal for 2000 plus m/yd. I dont waste my $2.50 rd per shot ammo on anything under 1200m.
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