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Here is the information on the GAY AGENDA. Everyone need to know that they will stop at nothing to implement that AGENDA.
Posted on 11/01/2001 9:00:19 AM PST by FormerLib
Edited on 07/12/2004 3:35:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
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Can't fight your own battles, huh?
Hermaphrodite incorrectly describes the condition you and Paul C. use for your “transsexual” agenda. It means, by definition, having two reproductive organs capable of reproducing, a fact generalized in Paul’s scenarios, as it would pertain to gender. Even the case study, in your student run medical journal, diagnosed with “true hemaphroditism” denotes the patient is male. Mosaicism is, however, probably the most rare and complex of all intersex syndromes, but gender is still easily determined by the initial, though partial, androgen and MIS production.
You're also dead wrong about nearly everything else you been pontificating on.
Well, would you mind pointing out my inaccuracies one syndrome at a time?
Attending physicians have been "assigning" sex to babies based on penis size and shape since the first part of the 20th century.
Yes, and I’m sure with much malpractice not given the time and knowledge for the day. Tonsils were also prophylacticly removed to prevent [rheumatic fever (?)], mine were.
Boys with penises less than 1 inch were routinely whacked and raised as girls. Parents were counseled that it was best for the child. A mind-boggling array of genital malformities in boys received similar attention.
And what was the mind-boggling syndrome of ASD for which they made these judgements? Where was the urethra located, was androgen and or MIS produced? Were either of the Wolffian or Mullerian ducts more developed than one or the other? Which procedure gave the patient the best chance to reproduce?
(Current wisdom is slowly turning away from these practices. It's about time.) Furthermore, there is no such thing as the "gender one is born with" you tout in post #100. I hate to pop your bubble, but intersexuality is a real live human condition and some people just don't fit neatly into your little black & white, male & female world-view.
Sorry, please do pop my bubble, your generalizations don’t fit into what you want to call “true hermaphroditism”.
And like I said before, you should really loosen that tinfoil hat you have on. It's starting to cook your brain.
Also would you please stop proping-up your negative agenda.
Why don't you crawl back into the cave you came from.
Maybe in a house of cards, one which you can’t justify your own statements.
Why don't you crawl back into the cave you came from.
What, are you in third grade, is that the best you got? Do your parents know you’re using the Internet?
By the way, I don't take hormones. But aren't you due for your daily steroid shot.
Hehehe…my testosterone is produced naturally, and from your declaration, so is yours? My guess is you haven’t been cut yet? Why don’t you deny your “transsexual” agenda or anything that I have stated? We must presume it’s all true.
And those agendas that you should worry about are for example, the Liberal's agenda, which is to enslave you, me and everyone else in this country that is not one of the Elite.
Also, I could say some less than polite things to you. But I try and make it a policy not to flame people unless they are really asking for it.
You both have posted your trash before trying to connect “transsexualism” to intersex, that has been your agenda before and there’s no reason to think otherwise. Too bad you don’t even have the courage to deny it.
You should learn that information is power.
So should you, you can’t even defend one thing that you’ve said and neither you or OBAFGKM have refuted anything that I have stated. Get your “information” out and let’s go info-boy. Everyone is born one gender.
And that the information, OBAFGKM and me posted on this board came from MEDICAL text books and websites. NOT from leftist agenda. You have more problems than you realize, if YOU, yourself, cannot tell the difference.
More crap! Then try siting them, but leave out Kruijver, LeVay, Hammer, et all unless you’re willing to debate them, something you haven’t shown the capacity do in the past. By the way,isna is not a MEDICAL website, does that make you a liar?
And those agendas that you should worry about are for example, the Liberal's agenda, which is to enslave you, me and everyone else in this country that is not one of the Elite.
ISNA, the site you and OBAFGKM quote from, is a liberal organization that is aligned with NOW and backs the ”gay” agenda as a whole. Here are some ISNA, “non-agenda” quotes “Some intersexuals choose to change sex, and are thus transsexual as well as intersexual. Homosexuality, transsexualism, and intersexed conditions may all lie on a broad biological spectrum of normal human variance.” You are a liar and a fraud.
Also, I could say some less than polite things to you. But I try and make it a policy not to flame people unless they are really asking for it.
Go right ahead, your flames don’t mean anything unless you can back them up.
First in you arrogance, you don't even take the time to READ my last post. If you had, you would have noticed that I stated that I got my information from medical TEXT BOOKS and websites.
Also, I have looked over your posts on this thread, and NOT ONCE have you ACTUALLY posted any EVIDENCE to CONTRADICT the INFORMATION posted by me or OBAFGKM. Instead, you have decide to resort to name calling and blind accusations. Already you have accused me of having:
A Transsexual Agenda
A Homosexual Agenda
A Liberal Agenda
And now you accuse me of being a liar and a fraud.
Well Clint N. Suhks, it is YOU who are a liar and fraud. You are like a pathetic little child who is yelling and throwing a temper tantrum because he lost an argument.
Well Clint N. Suhks, I have two words for you: Grow up.
Is this your site? It would help if these TEXT BOOKS and websites had names, authors or page numbers, then you could almost call it a site.
Also, I have looked over your posts on this thread, and NOT ONCE have you ACTUALLY posted any EVIDENCE to CONTRADICT the INFORMATION posted by me or OBAFGKM.
Hehehe…I see, you posit that the world is flat and I have to site why it is not. You have real integrity. But, that’s OK, I’ll play. Lets take my very first two condemnations.
Plastic surgery for hermaphodites at birth is the standard for hermaphodites.
Hermaphrodite, as you have generalized the term, means at least ten specific syndromes of abnormal sex differentiation. The standard for treatment varies depending on the disorder. “In cases of abnormal sex differentiation, efforts should be made to determine the reason for the abnormality as treatment may vary according to the cause of the disorder. There may also be a need for specific surgical repair and/or (hormonal therapy).Johns Hopkins Children’s Center
The standard is surgery to give them female genitalia.
Again, given the syndrome, the standard for treatment is different depending on the disorder.
Klinefelter Syndrome: “The most common form of treatment involves administering depotestosterone, a synthetic form of testosterone, by injection once a month.” Klinefelter Syndrome and Associates
Turner Syndrome:As a chromosomal condition, there is no "cure" for Turner syndrome. “Estrogen replacement therapy has been used since the condition was described in 1938 to promote development of secondary sexual characteristics. Estrogens are also important for maintaining good tissue and bone integrity.” Turner Syndrome Society
AIS: Treatment for Vaginal Hypoplasia. The results of pressure dilation are superior to those of actual plastic surgical construction of a vagina. AISSG
And on and on, the standard is not to treat with plastic surgery because surgery is syndrome specific.
Instead, you have decide to resort to name calling and blind accusations. Already you have accused me of having: A Transsexual Agenda A Homosexual Agenda A Liberal Agenda
I’m sorry, is that a denial? What about the argument you made on this thread? NOW Has Found A New Group To Exploit For Political Purposes: Hermaphrodites Remember when you proffered a Kruijver study to justify the link to “transexuality”? You are a liar!
I've been away for awhile, but it's nice to find that you've been educating yourself about hermaphroditism, sexual anomalies, etc. Keep at it and you'll eventually decide that some people really can't be said to be "born with one gender."
Paul Jesup exaggerated when he suggested that female assignment is standard procedure, but sadly, not by much. For much of the 20th century, the large majority of such surgical interventions have been along the lines of "constructing" a female. For one thing, it's generally a simpler procedure, but also, there has been a probably well intended tendency among physicians and psychologists to equate "maleness" with "adequate penis." That seems to be changing and -- I repeat myself -- it's about time.
Meanwhile, I wish you'd stop equating "anybody who says anything you don't like" to "liberal with an agenda." For one thing it ain't true, and for another it adds nothing to the thread.
Along that same line, you might do a self-search and then ask yourself whether somebody who's never posted anything other than a predictable rant on homosexuality might be suspected of "having an agenda."
Have a great day!
Also, did you even take the time to read the websites that you posted here. If you had, you would had maybe relaized that you have hurt yourself in this argument.
First, your Free Republic thread link is broken. Also, using FR as source information is counterproductive because FR is bias on this subject.
Second, the Johns Hopkins Children’s Center link is a FLAWED straight forward medical treatment link for those for those born with deformed genitals.
The reason why I say the information in the Johns Hopkins Children’s Center link is FLAWED is because there are no cases studies presented, nor any follow-up case studies for those who have undergone the treatments listed in the website. So none of us know have effective the treatments were.
This goes to the core of our disagreement. You flat out falsely accused me of having a "Transsexual Agenda" when I stated the some of the intersex people who had surgery on their deformed genitals when they were born, rejected the gender they were forced to be raised as.
Well the entire flawed theory that intersex people need genital surgery when they are born is based on the equally flawed work of John Money, who forced a maimed baby boy to live as a girl, and stole his childhood.
Here are two links to the entire sad tragic story.
http://www.endeavourforum.org.au/October2000-8.htm
http://aifs32.aifs.org.au/institute/afrc7/francis.html
As a lawyer would say; I rest my case.
The facts remain the same, we will never permit same-sex "marriage" in this nation. The tiny, tiny percentage of the population that defies sexual classification will be a case for the courts, but it will never be enough to legitimatize a couple of Turd Burglars who want to play house.
Do you think if you say it enough it will become fact? You’re welcome to site your assertions too, generalizations don’t work, be specific.
Paul Jesup exaggerated {lied} when he suggested that female assignment is standard procedure, but sadly, not by much. For much of the 20th century, the large majority of such surgical interventions have been along the lines of "constructing" a female.
That was then, this is now. And, countless other erroneous procedures have been preformed unnecessarily in the 20th century, but that’s not why we’re having this conversation, is it?
For one thing, it's generally a simpler procedure, but also, there has been a probably well intended tendency among physicians and psychologists to equate "maleness" with "adequate penis." That seems to be changing and -- I repeat myself -- it's about time.
Is it wrong to surgically move the urethra of a hypospadias patient that has a 3cm phallic to its tip? Is it wrong to remove ovotestis or regressed ovary? But’ this isn’t why we’re here either, is it?
Meanwhile, I wish you'd stop equating "anybody who says anything you don't like" to "liberal with an agenda." For one thing it ain't true, and for another it adds nothing to the thread.
Ah, but the “transsexual, homosexual” agenda is a liberal agenda, isn’t it? And that’s why were here! You can deny that social liberalism isn’t liberal all you want, but perversion will never be a conservative issue. You’re quote that “If you don't have solid answers for these questions, [re: determination of gender] then maybe you don't have solid reasons for denying marriage between two men and two women”, rings true of your agenda.
Here is your chance, and you’ve ducted the question before as well as Paul (since you apparently speak for him) several times on this thread, are you inferring that intersexuality is in any way connected to transsexulaity or homosexuality?
Along that same line, you might do a self-search and then ask yourself whether somebody who's never posted anything other than a predictable rant on homosexuality might be suspected of "having an agenda."
If my “rant” is inaccurate you’re welcome to prove me wrong. Let’s start with whether perversion is a chosen behavior or genetically or biologically innate. Or, since you speak for Paul, you’re welcome to address any of Kruijver’s transsexual jusifying studies that Paul proffered to relate intersexuality to “transsexualism”
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Here is the information on the GAY AGENDA. Everyone need to know that they will stop at nothing to implement that AGENDA.
FYI, Paul, OBAFGKM and other pseudo-intellectuals have taken this line before and on more than one occasion. Their agenda is to blur the lines between gender using chromosomal/hormonal defect as a means to demonstrate same-sex attraction. They then posit that if one can demonstrate same-sex attraction is possible through a chromosomal/hormonal disorder of the sex organs it’s conceivable that the hypothalamus is affected in the same manner. The hypothalamus being the organ that influences “homosexuality/transsexuality”. This is their “gay gene” though the genes have no direct connection. The linchpin is to demonstrate the fallacy that it’s possible to not be born a gender, don’t be fooled by this, there exists no human being that has ever had the choice to be either one or the other.
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