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How Linux Saved Amazon
CNet.com ^ | October 30, 2001, 5:20 p.m. PT | Stephen Shankland, Margaret Kane, and Robert Lemos

Posted on 11/01/2001 4:09:34 AM PST by amigatec

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To: wireplay
Where does the Microsoft bashing come into play?

Well, then if they'd switched from Microsoft they would be saving even *more* time and money, likely.

41 posted on 11/01/2001 6:19:20 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal
But... is that supposed to mean it works better than Linux? You can use Linux for just about whatever you want it to do. *and* it's free.

Somebody wake up the Mac Moonies. They must be sleeping in this morning. ;-)

42 posted on 11/01/2001 6:27:47 AM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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To: amigatec
It is Amazon that is in hurt city. If they don't turn a profit and soon, they will go bust, probably taken over by Borders Books.

Earlier this year Bezos promised to turn a profit by the end of the year, now they're talking about pro forma profits. What a laugh Bezo=Bozo.

43 posted on 11/01/2001 6:29:18 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Terriergal
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44 posted on 11/01/2001 6:35:34 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: amigatec
So Amazon is losing $7.50 per sale instead of $10.00. Wow, 3 more descisions like that and they'll break even.
45 posted on 11/01/2001 6:44:49 AM PST by discostu
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To: kevkrom
I'm not sure this is correct.

I just cracked open my latest shipment from Microsoft yesterday, and I think it only contained the "Home" and "Professional" versions. I don't know why they would leave out the "server" version of XP if it exists as I do get the "server" versions of the NT OSs. (I have a "developers' subscription." I think MS's idea is to allow people like me to try out whatever I write on all the platforms it might be used on, so that's why I get all this stuff. I only use about 0.05% of it!)

ML/NJ

46 posted on 11/01/2001 6:54:58 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: amigatec
The reduction was attributed primarily to Amazon's "migration to a Linux-based technology platform that utilizes a less-costly technology infrastructure, as well as general price reductions for data and telecommunication services due to market overcapacity," according to the filing

Tellingly, the article doesn't provide us with a breakdown between the Linux savings, and those from lower telecomm bills.

Given that this article is basically a Linux press release, I have to conclude that the Linux savings weren't the major factor in the cost savings.

47 posted on 11/01/2001 7:02:55 AM PST by r9etb
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To: amigatec
The reduction was attributed primarily to Amazon's "migration to a Linux-based technology platform that utilizes a less-costly technology infrastructure, as well as general price reductions for data and telecommunication services due to market overcapacity," according to the filing

Tellingly, the article doesn't provide us with a breakdown between the Linux savings, and those from lower telecomm bills.

Given that this article is basically a Linux press release, I have to conclude that the Linux savings weren't the major factor in the cost savings.

48 posted on 11/01/2001 7:03:01 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Ooops. Sorry for the repost.
49 posted on 11/01/2001 7:04:00 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Absoltely true, see post #29 above. Amazon has reduced their IT cost because they "worked" their suppliers. Linux offered some savinsg, but eh majority of their mission critical stuff is still running on Unix.
50 posted on 11/01/2001 7:06:22 AM PST by schu
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To: innocentbystander
This is about Unix vs. Linux, dummy

Along those lines, look at this snippet: HP supplied Amazon's Linux servers, large numbers of thin, rack-mountable models with Intel chips...

IOW, Amazon not only went from UNIX to Linux, but also from very expensive Sun machines to relatively inexpensive PC-type machines.

Linux undoubtedly enabled them to do this -- but it really means that the cost savings was hardware-related, and not because running bits through Linux software offers any intrinsic cost-savings.

Which is to say, Amazon probably would have cut costs significantly had they switched to a Microsoft-based system, too. Linux vs. MS might have a cost difference, but it'd probably be small as compared to the savings due to using PC-type servers.

51 posted on 11/01/2001 7:12:02 AM PST by r9etb
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To: amigatec
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52 posted on 11/01/2001 7:12:07 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Fortunately for SUN theres a lot of their expensive stuff still out there. But if I was SUN i'd be very nervous.

Absolutely correct. The Unix workstation is being squeezed from both sides -- mainframes are making a comeback, and PCs are cheaper and increasingly more capable. Their market base -- mostly technical folks -- can increasingly get satisfactory results from standard PCs, and they can do it for one hell of a lot less money.

For example, a software development environment for a Sun workstation costs several thousand dollars. Similar capability costs under a thousand for a PC. If I get similar performance -- plus the added advantage of trouble-free compatibility with the rest of my computer network -- what would I buy? In most cases it's an easy choice.

53 posted on 11/01/2001 7:18:59 AM PST by r9etb
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To: amigatec
All operating systems and software environments contain security risks. Part of my job is reviewing all the notices that come from the feds on computer security, and there are always many more items identifying security holes and patches for Linux & the software packages that run on it, than for the Windows NT environment. Not saying there are more holes. Just that more are identified regularly in the Linux environment.
54 posted on 11/01/2001 7:20:41 AM PST by That Poppins Woman
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To: r9etb
But, you'd need more PC-type servers, typically, for an equivalent level of service than you would need big Sun boxes.

Such a switch works with Linux, because your licensing costs are $0. But, if you put Microsoft software on those servers, your licensing costs would be through the roof. I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up costing more to run PCs running Windows/Exchange/MS SQL Server, etc., than enough big Sun boxes to do the job. You're talking licensing on the order of ~$35,000 a box for database machines, and several thousand for other machines. Where's the big savings from moving to PC hardware in that scenario?

55 posted on 11/01/2001 7:22:09 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: amigatec
When Amazon first came online, they were running on DEC servers, or so they said. What OS was on there?
56 posted on 11/01/2001 7:24:07 AM PST by 1L
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To: That Poppins Woman
All operating systems and software environments contain security risks. Part of my job is reviewing all the notices that come from the feds on computer security, and there are always many more items identifying security holes and patches for Linux & the software packages that run on it, than for the Windows NT environment. Not saying there are more holes. Just that more are identified regularly in the Linux environment.

You're kidding, right? Where are you getting your information? Microsoft?

Try http://www.securityfocus.com/.

57 posted on 11/01/2001 7:24:47 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: r9etb
Sun workstation costs several thousand dollars

I just bought some SUN Blades for $950.
58 posted on 11/01/2001 7:27:21 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: r9etb
Which is to say, Amazon probably would have cut costs significantly had they switched to a Microsoft-based system, too. Linux vs. MS might have a cost difference, but it'd probably be small as compared to the savings due to using PC-type servers.

Actually Microsoft servers are much harder to maintain then Linux servers. Because of Microsoft's lack of true programming, they are a security nightmare, as well as the code itself being released to the general public before being properly tested.

How many of you out there that run any Microsoft software, can actually state you have close to zero problems? Not many I would guess, while the die hard Linux fans have zero or as close to zero problems, as you can get. I say this from a programmers perspective, having been in this field since 1976. Programmers now use other programs and code "Modules" to write programs with.

Programs used to be designed with size and durability in mind, now its "get it out fast" so we can get our R and D back quickly, without regard to us the consumer. The long and short of it is, Linux in both the long and short run will give huge cost savings over any modern OS.You will also find Linux/Unix specialists to be a better trained and knowledgable bunch of folks

God Bless America..

59 posted on 11/01/2001 7:28:10 AM PST by JustAnAmerican
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To: That Poppins Woman
I think I know now what you're looking at. You're looking at a all Linux distributions vs. Windows itself, which is not a fair comparison. Look at at one Linux distribution vs. Windows + Windows apps.
60 posted on 11/01/2001 7:28:32 AM PST by B Knotts
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