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Bush: fear of bin Laden nukes
United States.com ^ | RICHARD SALE, UPI Terrorism Correspondent

Posted on 10/30/2001 2:53:53 AM PST by American_Patriot_For_Democracy

The Bush administration is concerned that the al Qaida network of accused terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden might try to use a small nuclear weapon in a super-spectacular strike to decapitate the U.S. political leadership, according to a half dozen serving and former U.S. government and intelligence officials.

"They believe it's a real possibility," said one former senior U.S. government official, adding that secret plans for protecting the U.S. president and his successors in the event of a nuclear attack were in place.

The Bush administration believes that bin Laden -- the prime suspect in the Sept. 11 terror attacks -- may be in possession of one or more small, portable nuclear weapons, according to one former senior U.S. intelligence official. Other experts agree that the danger is real. "We're not at all discounting that possibility," agreed Rose Gottemoeller, senior associate and Russian weapons expert at the Washington-based Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

Bin Laden's efforts to get hold of nuclear material are no secret. Peter Probst, an anti-terrorism analyst formerly with the Pentagon's Office of Special Operations Low-Intensity Conflict says the Saudi fugitive "has been obsessed with nuclear weapons."

During his trial for involvement in the 1998 bombing of two U.S. Embassies in East Africa, Jamal Ahmad al-Fadl, an al Qaida operative, outlined bin Laden's efforts to spend $1.5 million to obtain a cylinder of enriched uranium. Plans were made, said al-Fadl, to test uranium samples to see if they could be made into a bomb. The project fell through, he said, according to court documents.

But Monday, the Times of London cited unnamed Western intelligence sources as saying bin Laden had obtained nuclear materials from Pakistan.

And there have also been several reports -- variously citing unnamed intelligence sources from Israel, Russia and Arab nations -- about bin Laden's attempts to purchase a small nuclear device from the arsenal of a former Soviet republic, through terrorist or mafia groups in Chechnya or Central Asia.

According to Probst, what the U.S. intelligence community fears is that tactical nuclear weapons of one kind or another have been sold to terrorists via corrupt Russian military officers or the Russian or Chechen mafias with whom bin Laden is known to have had contact.

Probst explained that portable nuclear weapons were developed by the Soviets in the 1960s. They were designed for use by their Spetznatz special operations forces against NATO command and control sites.

Until recently, the best information the United States had about these weapons described them as "suitcase bombs," although former CIA counter-terrorism expert, Vince Cannistraro, says that they are the size of a footlocker and Gottemoeller adds that they actually come in two sections, "both rather cumbersome."

Cannistraro denounces reports that bin Laden has obtained such weapons as "total crap."

But a former senior U.S. intelligence and Eastern Bloc specialist cautioned that "the Soviets were able to build weapons of such smallness and lightness that they could be carried by one person," pointing out that one U.S. nuclear warhead weighs less than 60 lbs.

While much has been written about suitcase bombs, until now, nothing has appeared in any public report about these smaller "backpack" nuclear weapons, according to several U.S. government sources.

One U.S. government expert said that the United States gained new knowledge of the backpack weapons in the 1990s through Russian double agents run by the CIA. One U.S. source familiar with the program said: "We had defectors who trained on backpack weapons and who bluntly told the agency that everything they knew about the devices was wrong. We didn't understand how they were assembled or how they were to be used."

In 1998, this new information was put into a CIA "blue border" report, meaning it "contains material from a foreign source of the greatest sensitivity," a former senior U.S. intelligence official said. The report was presented to then President Bill Clinton and his National Security Advisor Sandy Berger. The report was so secret, the two men were only allowed to initial the document before it was returned to the agency's custody, U.S. government officials said.

Berger's assistant told United Press International that he declined to comment because, "It's an intelligence matter."

But the Federation of American Scientists says, "nuclear weapons that can fit in a very heavy, normal-sized suitcase are a real possibility."

"The possibility that these devices have been stolen and sold to terrorist groups is nearly anyone's worst nightmare," said Carey Sublette of the Federation of American Scientists.

General Aleksandr Lebed, the former Russian security czar, said in 1997 that several nuclear suitcase bombs and tactical nukes had disappeared from the Russian arsenal.

In testimony before the Congressional Military Research and Development Subcommittee in October 1997, Lebed said there were bombs made to look like suitcases that could be detonated by one person with less than 30-minute preparation.

Lebed also said that nuclear bombs only 24 x 16 x 8 inches were distributed among Soviet military intelligence units. He made no mention of nuclear backpack bombs.

Probst told UPI he believes that Lebed is accurate about missing Soviet tactical nuclear weapons. "I firmly believe that some were sold to groups by corrupt Russian military, probably in the Central Asian republics," he said. On Oct. 28, 1999, Rep. Curt Weldon (R-Pa.) said that he believed that some 48 Russian nuclear devices remained unaccounted for.

"We simply don't know what was floating around out there when the Soviet Union dissolved," especially in the Central Asian republics, an administration official said. "That's one of the questions we need to ask: what are the threats?"


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1 posted on 10/30/2001 2:53:53 AM PST by American_Patriot_For_Democracy
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To: American_Patriot_For_Democracy
Tiny Nukes-- the backpack threat
2 posted on 10/30/2001 2:59:03 AM PST by backhoe
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To: American_Patriot_For_Democracy
Why do I even bother getting up in the morning? I long for the days when I didn't care or just didn't want to know.
3 posted on 10/30/2001 3:22:33 AM PST by LoneGOPinCT
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To: American_Patriot_For_Democracy
Seal borders and carefully inspect any incoming vehicles. God bless America
4 posted on 10/30/2001 3:24:49 AM PST by Lady GOP
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To: LoneGOPinCT
Love your name. I lived in CT for all my life until 4 years ago and sympathize with your "lone GOP status". Keep your chin up.
5 posted on 10/30/2001 3:25:13 AM PST by Peach
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To: backhoe
Is there really any question what we need to do to these people..?
6 posted on 10/30/2001 3:28:26 AM PST by Lady GOP
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To: American_Patriot_For_Democracy
It's not the backpack nukes we have to worry about. The maintenance and upkeep on those "fractional crit" devices is frightfully high. If you can't swap out several pounds of tritium every few weeks (at $50,000 an ounce), then it's worthless. Best you could do is a radiological weapon...

Now, if he gets a hold of one of the Paki's nukes, and sails it in via a ship......that's a different story...
7 posted on 10/30/2001 3:28:27 AM PST by WyldKard
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To: American_Patriot_For_Democracy
"The report was presented to then President Bill Clinton and his National Security Advisor Sandy Berger. "

I guess that tells us all we need to know about why we have to worry about this matter today.

8 posted on 10/30/2001 3:30:24 AM PST by livius
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To: American_Patriot_For_Democracy
I have a great deal of trouble believing that bin Ladin would have such a weapon and not use it. If he had one, it would be burning a hole in his pocket.
9 posted on 10/30/2001 3:31:21 AM PST by Straight Vermonter
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To: backhoe
Thanks, Backhoe, for all your links. You are the man!

It seems to me, President Bush simply positions our fighters and/or subs with nuclear weapons tipped missiles/bombs to fly near Iraq and Afghanistan - near Pakistan - and we let both countries know that should any nuclear device go off in this country, Iraq and Pakistan will be attacked with nuclear weapons. We let India know the same because they may want to help destroy Pakistan before Pakistan can nuke India.

We should notify our allies - and our enemies - that we will not hesitate to do so and that we have methods in the works to do just that as necessary.

If necessary, we can so advise Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, North Korea of same. And we should be ready to send a massive assault on Cuba as well...not necessarily nuclear.

Such actions could trigger Communist China and Russia to let loose their nukes - but we should have in place the command structure and communication structure to notify these nations that we will not be in any way attempting to harm them unless they should join the efforts to attack our country.

Outside of paying millions to hit squads to slit the throats of every terrorist kingpin in the world - I don't know how else we can proceed.

Of course, prayer is the answer - but we are also dealing with very real danger to this nation and if nuclear devices are used against us.....these nations who have harbored terrorists MUST KNOW THEY WILL RECEIVE SAME!

10 posted on 10/30/2001 3:41:38 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Straight Vermonter
After the Taliban dared the US to bring in 100,000 troops my immediate concern would be that bin Laden (or more likely a group of his martyrs) are laying in wait for a ground war where they can lure in as many US troops as possible before they shout to the "almighty Allah" and set one of these suitcase nukes off.

I'm hoping that what experts say is true and that is that even these small, tactical devices takes alot more effort to detonate and that you just don't "pull a pin" or "push a button". It's a tough "bluff" to call, I wouldn't take the chance when we can devastate from the air.

11 posted on 10/30/2001 3:44:11 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
I am in full agreement with your sentiments. I just hope that we don't alienate our only ally over there, India, which is a democracy, English speaking, multi-ethnic and multi-religious, has a Constitution and a common law based legal system, and most importantly a huge, extremely skilled and technologically savvy military with beaucoup nukes. Plus India hates Pakistan, and China. It doesn't get any better than that. And they could soften the hearts of the Russians, who cradled and loved them when we ignored them for 30 years during the Cold War. Russia loves India historically, even watched their movies for fifty years, over Hollywood's choices. Plus Russia looks at India and thinks, "Now there is a market for our Siberian oil." Who else can we rely on over there if the going gets tough? Turkey? They are too far away to get there in time. China? Quite humorous, they are praying for our demise. Russia? That's going to be tough, since they were our mortal enemy not more than 10 years ago, and there is a bad blood there. Indonesia? They are an economic, military, and logistical nightmare. Iran? *sigh* You get the idea. We NEED India, badly.
12 posted on 10/30/2001 3:55:18 AM PST by American_Patriot_For_Democracy
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To: American_Patriot_For_Democracy
Cannistraro denounces reports that bin Laden has obtained such weapons as "total crap." Right...and Iraq has no capacity to weaponize anthrax Then there's the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, etc... I have come to distrust absolute statements such as Cannistraro's.
13 posted on 10/30/2001 5:15:13 AM PST by spanky_mcfarland
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To: American_Patriot_For_Democracy
The Northern Alliance says, "Bring out your troops," and the Taliban says, "Bring out your troops."

It is prudent to be watchful and patient. Likely the Taliban would like to see a concentrated batallion of American soldiers for a reason.

If the Taliban are hiding in civilian Kabul homes, it's time to warn the civilians as best we can, and bomb the homes.

We keep hearing about the terrible Afghan winters...but we also heard about how wonderful the Northern Alliance was.

14 posted on 10/30/2001 5:21:40 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: WyldKard
If you can't swap out several pounds of tritium every few weeks (at $50,000 an ounce), then it's worthless.

I was under the impression the "backpack nukes" were fission devices, not fusion. Everything I have read said that. Do you have a link for anything different?

15 posted on 10/30/2001 5:47:09 AM PST by Nov3
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To: Nov3
I was under the impression the "backpack nukes" were fission devices, not fusion.

You are essentially correct. However, because we're talking "fractional crit", you need a high neutron flux catalyst to actually get the fissible material to chain react. Otherwise, more often than not you get a dud. So we're talking fissionable materials with a tritium core. Thats how they address the size limitation.

You can denonate a backpack nuke without the tritium, but more often than not, you just get a radiological attack...
16 posted on 10/30/2001 8:40:44 AM PST by WyldKard
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To: WyldKard
So you are saying the tritium is the nuetron source?????
17 posted on 10/30/2001 3:26:03 PM PST by Nov3
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To: Nov3
neutron
18 posted on 10/30/2001 3:26:43 PM PST by Nov3
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt; Lady GOP
No arguement here!
19 posted on 10/30/2001 3:39:37 PM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
This is what Ashcroft was warning about They both looked very upset and the FBI guy Mueller was not hiding it.
20 posted on 10/30/2001 3:44:04 PM PST by Lady GOP
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