Posted on 10/29/2001 7:54:47 AM PST by truthandlife
AND it was very clear that you stated that you were "frightened" of me and that you were "suspicious" of me - both of which are cowardly obstructions to any discussion. So much so that I will not even attempt to discuss this with you until you can demonstrate some level of rational thought instead of your blind emoting. I have followed my own advice. Someday when you grow up emotionally, perhaps you can do the same...
This is NOT AT ALL my point...
My point, is that those who suggest that God used to protect America from such evil, but has now chosen to lift his hand of protection in order to "teach us a lesson", are making God an actor upon the stage of this evil.
Those suggesting that God (with intent) chose to remove his hand of protection and allow innocent children to be smashed against the side of a skyscraper, to "teach us a lesson".... are suggesting that God is evil. They're not saying that "God stood by and let bad things happen".... They're saying that God acted to make it happen, to "teach us a lesson".
Can you see the difference between my point, and your simplistic synopsis of it?
You really do have a problem with words, don't you? Words have meaning and ideas have consequences.
Now, yes, the killing of innocents is evil. But the rest of your drivel is typical "I deserve ... I deserve ..." liberalism. Who gave you the right to God's protection against the evil of men -- particularly when you disown Him and blaspheme Him.
So, you deserve to be protected from the manmade, Mohammedan evil do you? Well, all right, you are now standing before God. Why not tell Him just what it is you deserve and He is 'evil' for not giving you what you think you deserve?
No, pup, the porblem is precisely that we are getting -- and absent a relationship with the Saviour -- will get for (in deference to your liberal sensibilities) a 'very long time' precisely what we 'deserve.'
Don't ask for 'justice' you might get it.
Do you believe that God lifted his hand of protection with respect to this nation, in order to teach us a lesson regarding our wickedness?
A simple yes or no will do.
Too many people have been led to BELIEVE that what THEY judge is TRUTH. It is pervasive among a huge part of our country. The hostility is from avoidance of even beginning to see anything of the sort.
They judge what is just, what is right and howl at the very mention that perhaps their judgements should be inferior to what G-d may will.
My point is that you and the rest of the nitwits who think that God smashes things and kills little children in order to scare you into submission, have a pretty warped notion of "God".
A loving God, could be absolutely NOTHING LIKE the thing you have created in your own twisted image.
THAT... is my point.
My answer to your question is -I don't know. I think that it is possible. I will leave the "yes or no" to people like you who claim the judgement over this question and every other question and point about G-d, Godliness, and what is right and wrong. I know that it is God that has the answers. I also know that any who self worship are doing wrong and should look for a different way.
OK, here's some hard Truth. God does allow evil to exist. That means that He allows men to be evil and do evil things to good people.
That, quite obviously, has nothing to do with 'blaming the victim.' But, you are engaging in the typical liberal nonsense of 'blaming God' because we live in a sinful world of our (mankind's) own making.
Actually, He went way beyond what we 'deserve' and made His Son Who knew no sin to be sinful for our sake.
And, by the way, sin knows no "shore". In case you haven't noticed, evil happens everyday on every shore. Yes, something as great as the 'unnoticed' (to you) Mohammedan evil (which has been 'known' to Christians for 1300 years plus or minus) does bring itself forcefully to our attention every once in a while. But it is certainly NOT the source of evil; it is merely a symptom of it.
Ask the author what he meant (though it seems fairly clear to me). Or better yet ask the one who told the author...
As for people like yourself who are not a Christian, I pray that you will receive Jesus Christ as Your personal Savior and Lord. (I will be praying for you today). I was just like you at one time thought I had all figured out but had a true "emptiness" inside of me about life. Then a friend of mine shared with me how I could have a personal relationship with God. Let me know if would like to find out and I will post how you can know for sure that you are going to heaven and live forever. It is a very reasuring feeling when you know when you die (and there is a 100% chance you will someday) that you know where you will go.
Please DO NOT PRAY FOR ME!!! As far as I'm concerned, people of your ilk are no better than the Taliban or bin Laden. We either have to think the way you think or God will punish us for or horrible misdeeds. God doesn't need you to speak through, to have you decide how evil we all our, except for you of course and a few of your select buddies here.
Your God is some twisted deity who gets pleasure from punishing people. My God is one who loves us all and and lives in our hearts and does his work through us. His heart is full of love and forgiveness, not filled with rage and hate as your so called 'God' is.
Sorry for the tirade, people like truthandlife need to take a break from putting their spin on what they think God wants and then trying to impose it on the rest of us. Either that or sign up for a slot in the Taliban ....
But on the chance there's some truth in it, it's probably pragmatic as well as righteous to turn away from the things of man and towards a more moral, virtuous life.
The author of the thread, and quite a few of its participants claim to know.
What would Jesus want with the UN, anyhow?
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