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CDC tests show no bioengineering of anthrax; spores similar to ones that infect animals
Oregonian ^ | 10/25/01

Posted on 10/25/2001 1:38:00 PM PDT by SAMWolf

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Genetic testing shows the bacteria in the anthrax-by-mail attacks have not been bioengineered and are quite similar to natural strains that sicken animals, federal health officials said Thursday.

"These strains cannot be distinguished from other anthrax isolates that are known to have caused disease in barnyard animals" in the United States and Europe, said Dr. Julie Gerberding of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

While CDC says the anthrax so far is susceptible to penicillin, preliminary tests suggest it also may contain an early signal of developing penicillin resistance. Thus CDC said Thursday that patients with inhaled anthrax should not be treated with penicillin alone.

But from an investigative viewpoint, that discovery "is entirely consistent with the natural biology of the organism," Gerberding said. In nature, anthrax strains often show that chemical signal.

"We have absolutely no evidence to suggest these isolates have been genetically altered or engineered in any way," she added. "We're quite relieved that their susceptibility profile looks like what we would expect from a naturally occurring strain."

So far, the CDC hasn't finished genetic tests on anthrax spores recovered from the Washington postal facility where two workers have died and two others become infected with inhaled anthrax. Those tests are important to help determine whether the anthrax came from the same batch as the bacteria in letters mailed to Florida, New York and a Senate office.

Then there's the nation's other antibiotic resistance worry -- that some 10,000 people now are taking Cipro while CDC figures out whether they were exposed to anthrax and thus are at risk. All of that Cipro use, infectious disease specialists worry, could cause everyday bacteria to mutate so that Cipro won't be useful against other infections.

The CDC won't be able to detect if that's happening right away, Gerberding said, "but I would be surprised if it was a zero impact."


TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anthrax; cdc
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To: SAMWolf
My understanding is that the stages to developing weaponinzed anthrax would be something like this:

1. Growing the anthrax in a liquid form.

2. Drying the anthrax

3. Milling it to a small size so the victim will inhale it deep into the lungs.

4. Applying some anti-static additive so the anthrax will stay suspending in the air so more will be inhaled.

5. Genetically engineering the anthrax to make it resistant to antibiotics.

Russia, the US and perhaps some other countries have been able to do all of these steps and produce a truly lethal biochem.

Iraq on the other hand was stopped short of step 5.

The terminology used by everyone is accurate, but they are all stopping short of drawing the obvious conclusion. (ahem...)

Biological Weapons and Genetic Engineering

US Government White Paper on Iraq

How the Iraq bioweapons program came to light


21 posted on 10/25/2001 1:53:48 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: js1138
The bacteria isn't mutated by the antibiotics. The antibiotics kill off most of the bacteria except the bacteria that has mutated characteristics which make it antibiotic resistant. Those bacteria, unaffected by the antibiotics, multiply and you have a antibiotic-resistant strain. It's called evolution.
22 posted on 10/25/2001 1:55:20 PM PDT by motexva
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To: smolensk
The problem is that you guys expect them to even tell you the truth.

LOL - yep.

Isn't this the same feral government whose FBI fired no shots at Waco, who has proven that TWA-800 crashed because of a center fuel tank problem, and who says that Oswald killed Kennedy with a decrepit Mannlicher-Carcano rifle?

Sure. I believe 'em.

23 posted on 10/25/2001 1:55:23 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Alamo-Girl
AG, hows come you're always so danged succint?

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24 posted on 10/25/2001 1:56:29 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Jefferson Adams
Running out of disc space perhaps? LOL! Hugs!!!
25 posted on 10/25/2001 1:57:24 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Hi Alamo-Girl

I have enjoyed your posts today. Thank you for clarity on a couple of issues on which you have posted.

26 posted on 10/25/2001 1:57:38 PM PDT by kcat
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To: kcat
Thank you so very much for the kudos! (blush) Hugs!!!
27 posted on 10/25/2001 1:59:29 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: SAMWolf
Total B.S. The doctors treating the anthrax victims -- will tell you that the 1-5 micron variety they are treating is genetically altered.
28 posted on 10/25/2001 2:00:15 PM PDT by EverOnward
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To: js1138
yes but it would lead to other resistant strains of bacteria. We'd have all kinds of 'bugs' that will be resistant to the strongest antibiotic we have. In fact in asia, cipro is useless against certain forms of gonorrhea
29 posted on 10/25/2001 2:01:16 PM PDT by arielb
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To: Maringa
I once had an idea for a gizmo you could keep on your desk. You'd spin a dial and it would tell you the current conventional wisdom on coffee, salt, eggs, alcohol, and the like. It seems like every other study says X is bad for you, and the other studies say X is good for you.

Flip a coin, as someone said. Today, the anthrax is garden variety. But come midnight, it will revert to its 'weaponized' form. Perhaps it shares genes with the pumpkin from Cinderella.

30 posted on 10/25/2001 2:01:34 PM PDT by TrappedInLiberalHell
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To: motexva
Read my post again. It isn't evolution unless the mutated organism infects another host. And what have we been taught about anthrax???? That it isn't contagious.
31 posted on 10/25/2001 2:01:55 PM PDT by js1138
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To: independentmind
I think you've hit something with Ridge. Am I the only one who thinks he should have remained the governor of PA? He hasn't impressed me thus far.
32 posted on 10/25/2001 2:04:12 PM PDT by choicenotecho
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To: Alamo-Girl
Good to see you posting, Alamo Girl!
33 posted on 10/25/2001 2:04:36 PM PDT by StealthChild
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At the White House briefing with Ridge it seemed to me that the were trying to get Ridge to connect some of the more obvious dots ... He refused to do so.

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35 posted on 10/25/2001 2:06:13 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: SAMWolf
Now we have come full circle to the "garden variety" story! Ah, the fog of war.
36 posted on 10/25/2001 2:07:20 PM PDT by Seeking the truth
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To: StealthChild
Thank you so much! I'm very glad to be posting!!! Hugs!
37 posted on 10/25/2001 2:07:33 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: SAMWolf
The government fully understands what the precise milling and the anti-static treatment on those spores implies. They have understood this for weeks. It means that Saddam's agents here can kill Americans in large numbers whenever he gives the signal. Now they just have to figure out whether to point the finger at Saddam, attack him, and take the casualties, or sweep the whole thing under the rug and let him be.
38 posted on 10/25/2001 2:11:58 PM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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To: rwfromkansas
I want some freakingn answers now. Is it bio-engineered or not!

The bacillus itself was not bioengineered. However, the "powder" could only have been prepared by a highly sophisticated national biowarfare infrastructure. This is true for thre reasons: the fact that the anthrax bacillus in the powder was in "spore" form, the size of the powder grains, and the fact that the powder grains had been specially treated with additives so that they would electrostatically repell each other. There are only three countries known to have the requisite technology: the USA, the old Soviet Union, and Iraq.

The "Ames" strain used in these attacks is not known to be used by Iraq. However, Iraq could have made a "special batch" using the "Ames" strain instead of the "Vollum" strain (for use by terrorists).

39 posted on 10/25/2001 2:12:23 PM PDT by sourcery
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To: sourcery
the "powder" could only have been prepared by a highly sophisticated national biowarfare infrastructure.

Yeah, the making of powders is so darn high tech. heh heh

40 posted on 10/25/2001 2:14:01 PM PDT by jlogajan
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