CDC tests show no bioengineering of anthrax; spores similar to ones that infect animals

Oregonian ^ | 10/25/01

[Alamo-Girl]

My understanding is that the stages to developing weaponinzed anthrax would be something like this:

1. Growing the anthrax in a liquid form.

2. Drying the anthrax

3. Milling it to a small size so the victim will inhale it deep into the lungs.

4. Applying some anti-static additive so the anthrax will stay suspending in the air so more will be inhaled.

5. Genetically engineering the anthrax to make it resistant to antibiotics.

Russia, the US and perhaps some other countries have been able to do all of these steps and produce a truly lethal biochem.

Iraq on the other hand was stopped short of step 5.

The terminology used by everyone is accurate, but they are all stopping short of drawing the obvious conclusion. (ahem...)

Biological Weapons and Genetic Engineering

US Government White Paper on Iraq

How the Iraq bioweapons program came to light

[motexva]

The bacteria isn't mutated by the antibiotics. The antibiotics kill off most of the bacteria except the bacteria that has mutated characteristics which make it antibiotic resistant. Those bacteria, unaffected by the antibiotics, multiply and you have a antibiotic-resistant strain. It's called evolution.

[Jefferson Adams]

The problem is that you guys expect them to even tell you the truth.

LOL - yep.

Isn't this the same feral government whose FBI fired no shots at Waco, who has proven that TWA-800 crashed because of a center fuel tank problem, and who says that Oswald killed Kennedy with a decrepit Mannlicher-Carcano rifle?

Sure. I believe 'em.

[Jefferson Adams]

AG, hows come you're always so danged succint?

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[Alamo-Girl]

Running out of disc space perhaps? LOL! Hugs!!!

[kcat]

Hi Alamo-Girl

I have enjoyed your posts today. Thank you for clarity on a couple of issues on which you have posted.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for the kudos! (blush) Hugs!!!

[EverOnward]

Total B.S. The doctors treating the anthrax victims -- will tell you that the 1-5 micron variety they are treating is genetically altered.

[arielb]

yes but it would lead to other resistant strains of bacteria. We'd have all kinds of 'bugs' that will be resistant to the strongest antibiotic we have. In fact in asia, cipro is useless against certain forms of gonorrhea

[TrappedInLiberalHell]

I once had an idea for a gizmo you could keep on your desk. You'd spin a dial and it would tell you the current conventional wisdom on coffee, salt, eggs, alcohol, and the like. It seems like every other study says X is bad for you, and the other studies say X is good for you.

Flip a coin, as someone said. Today, the anthrax is garden variety. But come midnight, it will revert to its 'weaponized' form. Perhaps it shares genes with the pumpkin from Cinderella.

[js1138]

Read my post again. It isn't evolution unless the mutated organism infects another host. And what have we been taught about anthrax???? That it isn't contagious.

[choicenotecho]

I think you've hit something with Ridge. Am I the only one who thinks he should have remained the governor of PA? He hasn't impressed me thus far.

[StealthChild]

Good to see you posting, Alamo Girl!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

At the White House briefing with Ridge it seemed to me that the were trying to get Ridge to connect some of the more obvious dots ... He refused to do so.

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[Seeking the truth]

Now we have come full circle to the "garden variety" story! Ah, the fog of war.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much! I'm very glad to be posting!!! Hugs!

[Clinton's a rapist]

The government fully understands what the precise milling and the anti-static treatment on those spores implies. They have understood this for weeks. It means that Saddam's agents here can kill Americans in large numbers whenever he gives the signal. Now they just have to figure out whether to point the finger at Saddam, attack him, and take the casualties, or sweep the whole thing under the rug and let him be.

[sourcery]

I want some freakingn answers now. Is it bio-engineered or not!

The bacillus itself was not bioengineered. However, the "powder" could only have been prepared by a highly sophisticated national biowarfare infrastructure. This is true for thre reasons: the fact that the anthrax bacillus in the powder was in "spore" form, the size of the powder grains, and the fact that the powder grains had been specially treated with additives so that they would electrostatically repell each other. There are only three countries known to have the requisite technology: the USA, the old Soviet Union, and Iraq.

The "Ames" strain used in these attacks is not known to be used by Iraq. However, Iraq could have made a "special batch" using the "Ames" strain instead of the "Vollum" strain (for use by terrorists).

[jlogajan]

the "powder" could only have been prepared by a highly sophisticated national biowarfare infrastructure.

Yeah, the making of powders is so darn high tech. heh heh