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Will the War Kill the Bill of Rights?
Cato Institute ^ | October 18, 2001 | David Kopel

Posted on 10/23/2001 8:48:28 AM PDT by sendtoscott

Will the War Kill the Bill of Rights?
by David Kopel, Fellow, Cato Institute

October 18, 2001

Late last week, Congress hurriedly passed massive "terrorism" bills that had never received committee hearings. Indeed, the House bill was only introduced on the morning that it passed - providing House members with no realistic opportunity to study the bill's tremendous implications. Both the House and the Senate bills grant vast powers to law enforcement that have nothing to do with counter-terrorism.

Because the House and Senate bills differ, a conference committee will be appointed, which will begin meeting very soon.

The House Judiciary Committee had unanimously passed an anti-terrorism bill, which awaited House floor action. But instead of bringing forward the bill that had received committee scrutiny, the House leadership (buckling to pressure from the administration) had a brand-new bill written and brought to the floor of the full House. The leadership moved so hastily that members were deprived of the opportunity even to read the bill before voting on it.

The House bill does include some sensible provisions to help the government fight terrorism, such as expediting the hiring of language translators for counter-terrorism work.

But there are also provisions that seriously infringe privacy, while offering little in the way of counter-terrorism. For example, the bill allows the government, without a warrant, to monitor every e-mail that a person sends and receives. Content access would, however, require a search warrant - although in practice the government would be on the honor system not to read content. Any state, local, or federal law enforcement officer could use the e-mail surveillance. And there is no requirement that this surveillance be connected to a terrorism investigation.

Currently, if the government wants to monitor a person's postal mail, the feds have to get a search warrant. Why should we lower privacy standards because the mail is sent electronically rather than by hand?

The House bill also allows surveillance of a person's Internet surfing. The government can capture the web address of every page that a person views-without a search warrant. This allows any law officer to find out intimate details about a person's politics, hobbies, and even sexual orientation. There is no requirement that this surveillance be related to counter-terrorism.

Significantly, the bill sunsets some (but not all) of the expanded government surveillance provisions after three years. This is a sensible recognition of the fact that the executive branch is asking for extraordinary wartime powers. If the war hasn't ended in three years, Congress is capable of enacting legislation to extend the powers.

The Senate bill-243 pages-is much worse than the House bill. The former's expansions of government power are permanent. Given that the bill will restrict the freedom of people born 50 years from now, it is inappropriate for the bill to be rushed through Congress only a few days after being written.

The Senate bill allows the government to conduct secret searches. This measure is not limited to terrorism cases. Rather, it would apply to federal government searches involving drugs, pornography, gambling, and everything else in the federal criminal code.

The federal government could covertly enter a person's house, copy the contents of his computer, and then break in the next month, and copy the hard disk again. To perform secret searches, the government would merely have to show that there "might" be an "adverse result" if the person found out about the search.

Of all the checks and balances in the Fourth Amendment, the most important is that the person who is searched knows that he has been searched. More so than any other person, he will have the incentive to complain (and, if necessary, to sue) if the search was in violation of the Constitution. Because judges don't come along when the police serve search warrants, judges have no practical way of knowing whether a search is conducted within the limits of the search warrant. In essence, secret searches put federal agents on the honor system.

While the solid majority of federal law enforcement agents are honorable, some are not. And the records of the FBI, the DEA, the ATF, and the rest of the federal law enforcement bureaucracy over the past decades demonstrate that when power can be used, some agents will abuse it.

Both the House and the Senate contain many laudable, and uncontroversial measures, such as providing assistance to the families of police and firefighters who died on Sept. 11. Congress would do better to quickly pass the measures that do not infringe civil liberty, and then take time to ensure that new restrictions on liberty are no broader than necessary, and that they apply only to terrorism investigations.


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To: Reagan Man; freeeee; CCWoody
"Remember, God helps those, who help themselves."

Did you find that in the Bible?

(Clue: It isn't there.)

You said: "And I never said "unalienable rights come from the Bill of Rights", clown man."

You are correct, that is due to your mistaken notion that the only unalienable rights are "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". However, were to be be able to read and comprehend, you would note that you have missed the words: "that among these".

The Founding Fathers did not have two classes of rights. they did not believe in "alienable" and "unalienable" rights. To them, rights were....rights, and all of them were, and are, unalienable.

The Bill of Rights does not grant rights due to the fact that rights are not granted by men and their governments, they are granted by God. (You might want to read about Him, in the Bible.) Any attempt to deprive men of their unalienable rights is tyranny, and must be opposed by free men.

81 posted on 10/23/2001 2:30:29 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Reagan Man
"From your incoherent rhetoric, it's clear that won't be easy for you." & "Start helping yourself out. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. From reading your blatherings, you've been wasting your mind for far too long."

My "rhetoric" is easy to follow from anyone able to read at better than a 3rd grade level. May I suggest that I have not been the one who has been "wasting his mind"?

82 posted on 10/23/2001 2:33:15 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Reagan Man
From my 81: My sentence beginning "However, were to be be able to read and comprehend", should read "However, were you to be able to read and comprehend". Most folks could figure that out, but I didn't want to chance it with you.
83 posted on 10/23/2001 2:38:45 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Reagan Man
"You started the name calling bozo."

Prove it. Where? There is a big difference between pointing out that one wears the moniker of "Reagan Man" improperly and name calling. I believe that the first instance of "name calling" was your calling me "a-hole".

84 posted on 10/23/2001 2:41:15 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Reagan Man; Jerry_M
If you have nothing to hide, then you shouldn't be afraid.

Do you ever wonder why the founders put in place strong guarantees of personal freedom and privacy if an innocent man has notheing to fear?

On another thread was the story of an innocent young man that was refused his airline seat ...because of the book he was reading..no other reason..

Freedoms can too easily be exchanged for a totalitarian governement if people think they are in danger.

It is the very freedoms written into the bill of rights that give us that makes us safe..

1 Thessalonians 5:3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.








85 posted on 10/23/2001 2:49:57 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Jerry_M; Reagan Man; CCWoody
"Remember, God helps those, who help themselves."
Did you find that in the Bible?
(Clue: It isn't there.)

Are you sure?I thought it was right next to "Cleanliness is next to Godliness"

*grin*

86 posted on 10/23/2001 2:54:08 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Only 48 flags?

(The 47th is "mine"!)

87 posted on 10/23/2001 2:54:35 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Jerry_M
Well being one of the "original 13" I felt free to restrict it to the continental US..
88 posted on 10/23/2001 2:59:46 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
And I thought that this was the number of states in existence at the time of my birth. I didn't want to say "time of your birth", for fear of being slapped. Of course, since we are both grandparents, this is probably the same.

(Any quess as to how old "Reagan Man" is? I remember taking my infant daughter to see "Governor Reagan", and believe that I can speak with some authority as to his views of our republican form of government. What got me started on this thread was seeing someone who obviously has affection for RR tarnishing his name.)

89 posted on 10/23/2001 3:04:51 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Reagan Man
If you have nothing to hide, then you shouldn't be afraid.

I'm of the opinion that anyone who utters words like those should immediately have the citizenship stripped, and be deported to live in the nearest police state.

90 posted on 10/23/2001 3:11:07 PM PDT by Aristophanes
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To: Jerry_M
Boy, you are one confused sucker and a glutton for punishment too. Endure on. From your condescending behavior and attitude, I'd say you're about 18 years old. Right? Or may be 15?... or 13? Or is that your IQ? (LOL)

.... that is due to your mistaken notion that the only unalienable rights are "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".

I have no mistaken notion boy, I never said it. You reached that conclusion all on your own and I'm sure you're proud of it too. You really assume too much without any evidence. Thats a sign of inexperience and a lack of proper education. But, then again, attacking me, for a public website association, with a great man like Ronald Reagan, is the action of a scoundrel and a louse. When you grow up, hopefully you'll learn what life is all about. And next time, try thinking before you attempt to use the English language. You won't look so foolish in public.

One last thing, take your sanctimonious preaching and stuff it.

91 posted on 10/23/2001 3:15:34 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." Speech in the House of Lords, November 18, 1783 William Pitt (Earl of Chatham):

Big Iron (ya big baby

92 posted on 10/23/2001 3:16:16 PM PDT by bigiron
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To: Reagan Man; Jerry_M
Do we now asign this to the garbage pail?
Reagan Man if we do the greatest experiment in Democracy fails and we loose!
Is feeling "safe" good enought reason to pull out that which holds us up? If we do they win.

THE BILL OF RIGHTS
Amendments 1-10 of the Constitution

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The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution;

Resolved, by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two-thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States; all or any of which articles, when ratified by three-fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the said Constitution, namely:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.




93 posted on 10/23/2001 3:17:56 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Jerry_M
Arizona was the last State admitted before I was born..I am OLD!
94 posted on 10/23/2001 3:19:33 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: freeeee
Now for a bonus question: Which political party holds that rights are a gift from their government and change with the fickle whim of the majority?

I hate to say it, but the correct answer is: both of them.

95 posted on 10/23/2001 3:20:11 PM PDT by Aristophanes
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To: Aristophanes
Can't say that I disagree with that at all. Those are the words of a police state and always have been.

Reagan Man, I am tiring of your rhetoric, and also tiring of you using that name to spout what you are spouting. Reagan was a patriot who believed in what the constitution said and tried to live it to the best of his ability and led that way as well. Too bad you don't get it.

Reagan was the greatest president of this century, He did his best to get this country back on track, and if it weren't for a democratic congress, he might have succeeded. He would be ashamed of you, just as I am ashamed of you!!
96 posted on 10/23/2001 3:20:17 PM PDT by Aric2000
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To: Jerry_M
Any quess as to how old "Reagan Man" is? I remember taking my infant daughter to see "Governor Reagan",

In the last few weeks I have become aware how many "young" teck types are freepers

This makes me happy...but they do need to learn that experience is often more valuable than computer skills (at least I hope so*grin*)

97 posted on 10/23/2001 3:22:40 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Reagan Man
The others here can read what you have written, and they will draw the same conclusions that I have. The more you spew, the worse you look.

You really ought to change your screen name, you continue to be an embarrassment to Ronald Reagan.

98 posted on 10/23/2001 3:24:20 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: RnMomof7; CCWoody
Reagan Man thinks that I am a "glutton for punishment". Do you want to confirm that?

;>)

99 posted on 10/23/2001 3:27:42 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Jerry_M; Reagan Man
Since Reagan's administration was responsible for giving the anthrax to Iraq, which now stands squarely as suspect #1 for the source of the anthrax for the outbreaks here (confirmed by former Iraqi officials), his new name should be ...

ANTHRAX MAN

100 posted on 10/23/2001 3:28:03 PM PDT by That Poppins Woman
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