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Will the War Kill the Bill of Rights?
Cato Institute ^ | October 18, 2001 | David Kopel

Posted on 10/23/2001 8:48:28 AM PDT by sendtoscott

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To: Reagan Man; Jerry_M
I have no mistaken notion boy, I never said it. You reached that conclusion all on your own and I'm sure you're proud of it too. You really assume too much without any evidence. Thats a sign of inexperience and a lack of proper education. But, then again, attacking me, for a public website association, with a great man like Ronald Reagan, is the action of a scoundrel and a louse. When you grow up, hopefully you'll learn what life is all about. And next time, try thinking before you attempt to use the English language. You won't look so foolish in public. One last thing, take your sanctimonious preaching and stuff it.

LOL LOL LOL

101 posted on 10/23/2001 3:28:06 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Jerry_M
Reagan Man thinks that I am a "glutton for punishment". Do you want to confirm that? ;>)

LOL..I have never asked you about your personal life..But I would say it may be true on FR *grin*

102 posted on 10/23/2001 3:30:45 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: rdavis84
Yeah I get the drift, but seems to me it's more like a rip-tide.

I've been telling people that America as a Constitutional Republic finally succumbed on Sept. 11, when it was replaced by what will eventually be known as Imperial America.

Sad thing is, I don't see any way around it. Our Constitution, weakened and ignored from a long train of abuses dealt out by tyrants like Lincoln and FDR, just couldn't support us any longer. We are left in a position of grasping the new order and thereby defeating terrorism, or simply expiring with a whimper.

America, 1776-2001. Requiescat in pace.

103 posted on 10/23/2001 3:33:36 PM PDT by Aristophanes
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To: Aristophanes
Yeah I get the drift, but seems to me it's more like a rip-tide. I've been telling people that America as a Constitutional Republic finally succumbed on Sept. 11, when it was replaced by what will eventually be known as Imperial America.
Sad thing is, I don't see any way around it. Our Constitution, weakened and ignored from a long train of abuses dealt out by tyrants like Lincoln and FDR, just couldn't support us any longer. We are left in a position of grasping the new order and thereby defeating terrorism, or simply expiring with a whimper.

America, 1776-2001. Requiescat in pace.

I hope you are wrong but I fear not..

104 posted on 10/23/2001 3:44:01 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Reagan Man; Jerry_M
You started the name calling bozo. So by your own standards, your logic has failed. And I never said "unalienable rights come from the Bill of Rights", clown man. You need to get a grip on reality. The best place to start is to get off of whatever drugs your on. Get clean and then join us good folks in the human race. From your incoherent rhetoric, it's clear that won't be easy for you. So start early.

I'll just jump in here, having seen enough of your posts. Jerry can walk with me any day and I'd trust him with my life. Your understanding of Natural Rights and the Constitution show me you need to get a better education. Oh, just for my info, where did my Right to KABA come from (Keep and Bear Arms)?

Remember, God helps those, who help themselves. Start helping yourself out. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. From reading your blatherings, you've been wasting your mind for far too long.

No doubt! Please start using yours:

For thus saith the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel: "In returning and rest shall ye be saved, in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength; but ye would not.

For since the beginning of the world men have not heard nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, besides thee, what He hath prepared for him that waiteth for Him.

Seems like God knows better than Reagan Man and seems like our Founding Fathers knew better than Reagan Man.
105 posted on 10/23/2001 7:59:47 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
OMG, from the great lumbering masses comes another Mister-Know-It-All to educate us poor heathen. LMAO!

>>>>Seems like God knows better than Reagan Man and seems like our Founding Fathers knew better than Reagan Man.

I believe God knows better then all of us combined and the Founding Fathers knew better then most of us.

>>>>Your understanding of Natural Rights and the Constitution show me you need to get a better education.

You know thats just your opinion and nothing more, right? Of course you do.

Look CCWoody, I am not a libertarian, a druggie, a religious extremist, an anarchist, nor do I support such radical positions, or respect them. But I fully understand the idea of natural rights, which come from the nature of man and the world. Because of mankind's barbaric and corrupt nature, individuals have the right to defend themselves and their property. Basic law is derived from this right and not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.

As for the Constitution, I respect it for the great historical and governing document that it is. But I don't consider it holy scripture, as many on Free Republic do. The basic principles of its content can be found in the overall simplicity that continues to guide this nation. It truly represents the best form for limited government that mankind has ever created in history.

It would appear you and Jerry_M have many things in common. You're both sanctimonious, condescending, covered with self-righteous indignation and abundant amounts of self-conscious virtue. Birds of a feather flock together. You two deserve each other. Two egocentric creatures bound together by a holier then thou mindset and an eternal love for themselves and their rhetorical opinions.

Thank God, you're kind is in the ultra minority in America today.

Nuff said.

106 posted on 10/23/2001 10:58:58 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
shut up.

(... coming down to your intellectual level...) No. Make me. Your rhetoric is just pure commie pinko sandbox ranting. Move to China if you can't abide by the supreme law of the land.

107 posted on 10/24/2001 4:23:52 AM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: Reagan Man; Jerry_M
I noticed that you didn't answer my question.....

It would appear you and Jerry_M have many things in common.

Jerry, I consider this a compliment. Even though you are my elder in the Faith by a few years it is nice to see that even nitwits can recognize this.

108 posted on 10/24/2001 6:04:43 AM PDT by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
Woody, you and I can walk together anytime. However, will it bother you that I might not be packing my 1911, but might choose to carry something smaller and lighter?

Even though "Reagan Man" sees that we have much in common, doesn't it disturb you that telling the truth about a very important issue (the source of rights) would be considered "sanctimonious, condescending, covered with self-righteous indignation and abundant amounts of self-conscious virtue"?

(And doesn't it trouble you even more that one who would seek to honor Ronald Reagon would be so clueless on this topic?)

109 posted on 10/24/2001 6:30:05 AM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Reagan Man; RnMomof7; Jerry_M; Bob Mc
... the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Tell me, O Reagan Man, what does this mean? I notice that a lot of questions get asked and you answer few of them!

Jerry, I don't worry about the caliber of the gun that the guy with me carries; I worry about the caliber of person strapped to that gun. Besides, I bet yer 6 shooter hits better in yer hands than my 1911 style in mine. (But I'm getting better)

110 posted on 10/24/2001 6:53:57 AM PDT by CCWoody
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To: Jerry_M; RnMomof7
... and an eternal love for themselves... - Reagan Man

Not only a compliment, but a Commandment from God!

111 posted on 10/24/2001 6:58:16 AM PDT by CCWoody
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To: Reagan Man
Because of mankind's barbaric and corrupt nature, individuals have the right to defend themselves and their property.

Property rights are an extension of an individual's rights.

A man's right to defend himself precedes the necessity for property right's. The right to defend yourself is fundamental to the right of survival.

---max

112 posted on 10/24/2001 7:09:07 AM PDT by max61
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To: CCWoody
Who said that I would be carrying a revolver? Even though I own a couple, my favorite CCW weapon is my Glock 26.
113 posted on 10/24/2001 7:59:07 AM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Jerry_M
I notice that Reagan Man is violating all of the rules of FR--over and over and over.

Reagan Man is the kind of less-than-thoughtful conservative we don't need.

114 posted on 10/24/2001 9:01:47 AM PDT by the_doc
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To: the_doc
Good to hear from you again. Are you breaking your self-imposed silence? Will we be hearing more from you?
115 posted on 10/24/2001 9:10:33 AM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Reagan Man; CCWoody; Jerry_M; the_doc
Look CCWoody, I am not a libertarian, a druggie, a religious extremist, an anarchist, nor do I support such radical positions, or respect them. But I fully understand the idea of natural rights, which come from the nature of man and the world. Because of mankind's barbaric and corrupt nature, individuals have the right to defend themselves and their property. Basic law is derived from this right and not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.

Some of us see them as God given rights..what man gives man can take away..what God gives is a right not a privilege and only He can take it away..I believe that is why our forefathers said that we have unalienable rights

116 posted on 10/24/2001 11:29:16 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Jerry_M
Will we be hearing more from you?

Some, maybe, on selected political threads. Not much, though.

117 posted on 10/24/2001 3:13:38 PM PDT by the_doc
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