"11th Earl of Mar" - Great Genesis song.
Typical of mush headedness that defines too much of contemporary "christianity."
I guarandamtee you they do not believe in Jesus Christ, the second Person of the Holy Trinity. They "believe" in a Jesus of their own invention.
This is deception, pure and simple.
Clinton then saw the camera and instantly went to tears.
Hybels never saw the camera and continued to laugh.
Rush showed it about 1000 times but you never saw it on the major outlets.
This comment concerns shows the ignorance of his congregation, and apparently Hybel himself: Judy Barrie, 30, of Mundelein said the interview "opened up doors to communicate and showed [Muslims are] people just like we are." That is the kind of impact Hybels had hoped for.
If he would read he his Bible he would see we aren't the same: 2 Cor 6:15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
Muslim blames US at Chicago's Largest Church (BARF)
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Published: 10/06/01 Author: Dengar01
Posted on 10/6/01 6:16 PM Pacific by Dengar01
I just got home from church and I had to post this. I attended Willow Creek church which is north west of Chicago. It is the largest church in the area, it is a non-denominational Christian church, the main auditorium hold 10,000 people and was filled tonight. The topic of the 5:00 service tonight was the interview with a Muslim named Iama Fisal Hammounda, by Senior Pastor Bill Hybels. They will be having three more services between tonight and tomorrow, I pray to God they change their plans for the next services. I knew this was going to get ugly when the church showed a video on ethnic diversity. I looked around at the church filled to capacity with over 10,000 people and noticed several Muslims.
The inteview started and the man was introduced as a Egyptian who moved here in 1974. He complained that his wife was in Florida and couldn't come home due to the fact that she would be harassed. The goal of Pastor Hybel's interview was to prove that Islam is a peaceful religion, lets just say that he failed, miserabley.
Pastor Hybels did ask some very good questions which surprised me since I thought the Muslim might take the questions as offensive. A few questions statements stood out. The Muslim declared that Islam was peaceful and that the terrorists did not follow Islam, fine I guess. He continued that a "Jihad" had to do with attacking sin he made the poor analogy of declaring a jihad on eating candy.
Continuing Pastor Hybels asked him about martyrs along with the virgins and the streams of wine and the Muslim responded I pray for that to happen. He was truly innappropriate and this is when everything went downhill.
He declared that the terrorists in the US were bad but that the Palestinians were "freedom fighters". Immediately after saying that all the Muslims attending applauded. After the Muslims were jumping for joy with the Mr. Hammounda's innappropriate remarks, many people got up and walked out disgusted. I stayed to hear his next remarks which stunned me worse than his previous remarks.
He then stated that, "The US is responsible for terrorism"
That is when I walked out.
Fortunately for me to write this my sister and her husband stayed while I was complaining to several people at the Service Desk. The final statement which I was lucky enough to miss finished with Mr. Hammounda saying that Christians and Muslims can be friends, only on Muslims terms.
Yes you heard it the slime being spewed by the left is false. I heard it first hand from this man answering innappropriately while joking about a serious issue. I made the statement that this was unnacceptable for a church and should not be tolerated.
If you agree with me you can FReep the church at:
Willow Creek Community Church
67 E. Algonquin Road
South Barrington, IL 60010
(847) 765-5000
Fax: (847) 765-9222
General e-mail: info@willowcreek.org
Don't worry because the church had many people furious, about 200 people walked out including myself and many people were venting their frustration to people who work at the church. I will be calling the church tomorrow to let them know how I feel. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Navigation: use the links below to view
I've been to the Willow Creek church twice, both times with my wife. For those who don't reside in the Hoffman Estates, IL area, Willow Creek is a "new age", non-traditional church.
The first time I went I was quite uncomfortable for some reason--like someone was watching me. I didn't mention it to my wife, but it bothered me.
The second time we went the feeling was much, much worse. I felt that something extremely evil was there. It was a relief to get out.
I later mentioned these two events to my wife who got a frightened look on her face and explained how see was sitting there listening to the sermon (the second time we went) and that she suddenly saw a hideous "head" come flying at her and passed through her.
Since the event, I confessed to a couple of friends what had happened and they said they've heard similar stories from others. Yikes.
We won't be returning.
...and no, I haven't been drinking tonight.
Mr. Hybels, you may think and say that "Islam Is Not Religion of Violence", the facts of history prove you are wrong. Just tell this to the evangelical Christians who have been and are being martyred or persecuted for their faith in Christ and in His Father , the God of Israel in every Muslim country on the face of the Earth. Tell it to the believers in Indonesia, the Philippines, Egypt, Saudi Arabia,... FILL IN THE BLANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They are foisting the line that "Islam Means Peace" =
What they mean is this: When the Muslims kill or subjugate all the Christians and Jews in the entire world, only then will there be "peace."
We are told that "Moderate Muslims Fear Their Message Is Being Ignored"
No, we got the real message loud and clear on September 11th!
I hear a lot about being "tolerant" towards Muslims, but not one word about the Muslims being tolerant of Christians and Jews. Mr. Hybles, I have just one question for you:
Where are the thousands upon thousands and millions of Muslims and their clerics voicing their outrage over what their religion has foisted upon New York, the United States and throughout the world?
Answer: They don't exist because Islam is NOT a "tolerant" religion, nor is it a “religion of peace" (again, just ask the Christians and missionaries being killed and persecuted by Islam throughout the rest of the world).
Carlos "The Jackal" said this in reference to Islam and the over 5,000 Americans that lost their lives:
``The dead are almost all enemy soldiers, in uniform in the Pentagon and wearing ties in New York,''
Mr. Hybles, you had better wake up, realize and tell your congregation the following:
1. We are at TOTAL WAR with these people and they started it.
2. We must understand these Muslims do NOT want to conquer us, they want to DESTROY US, period. This is important because it gives insight into the type of attack they will throw at us = bio, nuclear and chemical attacks are likely because THEY KNOW THEY CAN NOT WIN A CONVENTIONAL WAR AND THEY HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF FIGHTING ONE. We must therefore act accordingly.
3. Civilians, (SPECIFICALLY: AMERICANS, CHRISTIANS AND JEWS) men women AND CHILDREN are the intended targets (like the people of your congregation), that they are going to attack because these Muslims see them as "the enemy." And they have, can and WILL attack them at will, without fear of a defensive response on the part of their victims because they know they are in no position to fight back or resist them!
4. This is ultimately a spiritual warfare and the Muslims in the world, follow Islam, which is totally opposed to The Lord Jesus Christ, God the Son, the true and living God. They seeks to subjugate or KILL Christians and Jews who refuse to convert to Islam. Their religion states there are but three options for Christian infidels: convert to Islam, become a slave or be killed for your faith in Jesus (Which option do you suggest the people of your congregation choose?).
That is what this is actually all about, not the “moderate Muslim line we are being fed here in the United States and which you are wickedly allowing them to foist on your congregation. They understand that what Islam really teaches = kill or subjugate the infidels (which is the Islam being practiced throughout the world) will not “fly” here in the USA so they are actively presenting a “modified”, “moderate” form of Islam for mass consumption here in America.
The above may not be "politically correct", it may not "fit" the "seeker sensitive", "non-confrontational" model Willow Creek and the Saddle Back Church is following because you all don't want to "offend". the sensibilities of your congregations but it is the truth. The sooner you wake up act upon these facts and tell your people the truth instead of trying to re-write the facts ala Orwell's "1984", the better.
At this point, I do not know who or what you are following, (although the god of one's own imagination comes to mind).
As for me and my family, we will follow and serve the Lord, God of Israel and His beloved Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.
Dr. S
You wouldn't believe this church......It has services all morning & into mid-afternoon......multiple services.....and get this.......VALET PARKING!
...and from what you've told here today, I guess I'm not surprised.
..but they do a brisk business on Sundays.....and because my son worked close by in the neigboring town.....when we went to visit him, we drove to the church...(curiosity mostly)...and that's where I saw the 'Valet' parking signs....
...I knew enough about Willow Creek NOT to want to visit :^
I apologize if this offends anyone here who goes there.......but I think you are being deceived.