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Low, Slow, & Deadly
National Review Online ^ | 10/17/01 | Charles E. Miller, USAF (Ret)

Posted on 10/18/2001 9:47:20 AM PDT by The Vast Right Wing

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To: The Vast Right Wing
Sounds like we are going to be painstakingly thorough. The Russians were good, but we are several orders of magnitude angrier and more systematic.
21 posted on 10/18/2001 11:03:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: bert
We lost one in Desert Storm because he stayed on station past sunrise giving the Iraqi gunners a clear target. They are deadly but they are very vulnerable.
22 posted on 10/18/2001 11:04:45 AM PDT by Arkie2
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To: connectthedots
Why do they do it that way?
23 posted on 10/18/2001 11:06:53 AM PDT by big gray tabby
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To: gkidman
By the time the carpet jockey locks a stinger on this beauty his rag will be a nice crimson color. What is the penalty for being killed by an infidel?? Eternity with 72 Janet Renos??

Pray for GW and the truth!

24 posted on 10/18/2001 11:08:14 AM PDT by bray
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To: The Vast Right Wing
C-130H Spectre
AC-130U Spooky





25 posted on 10/18/2001 11:15:55 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Stand Watch Listen
aaaahhh yes...

Thanks so much for the photos.

26 posted on 10/18/2001 11:27:09 AM PDT by bert
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To: big gray tabby
Logistically, it's cheaper, safer, less potential for accidents and damage to valuable aircraft, and offers a training opportunity. If that weren't enough, ground access from home bases to the peir is almost never available. Actually the access to the peir from various Naval Air Stations is the driving force, regardless of the other reason.
27 posted on 10/18/2001 12:08:01 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Frumanchu
That's a purty picture, shore 'nuff, but it looks a little weird that that stripped-in muzzle flash isn't illuminating the whole left side of the aircraft, as well as the underside of the left wing.
28 posted on 10/18/2001 2:32:33 PM PDT by Barak
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To: bert
Could you please give a sentence or two on defensive capabilities? Why is low and slow not vulnerable to a raghead with a Stinger? I worry.

Four problems with the concept of bringing a Spectre down with a Stinger occur to me.

First, instead of having one or two closely-spaced turbojet engines, like a fighter would have, the Spectre has four widely-spaced turboprop engines. This means that the image of the exhaust in infrared is not sharp and bright, but rather dim and smeared-out. It's likely that a Stinger's seeker head would have trouble locking on to such a picture: the missileer would probably be forced to stay exposed to give the missile a long, long look at the target. See Problem Four below.

Secondly, the small, low-tech seeker head on a Stinger missile would be completely overwhelmed by the three IR decoy-flare ejectors on an AC-130 (same with the Marines' MC-130). When somebody mashes his thumb down on the flare button, those three huge ejectors start launching (a guess, based on a video clip I saw) between ten and twenty big magnesium flares per second: to the right, to the left, and straight down. (You can see a couple of still examples in Stand Watch Listen's photographs.) Each of those hundreds of flares would be a much juicier target to the Stinger's seeker head than the big, cool, washed-out signature of the Spectre's engines.

Third, the Spectre carries quite a bit of Kevlar armor, as well as a little of the steel kind. Man-portable missiles have to be lightweight, and the Stinger's warhead is only about two pounds, if I remember correctly. If the missile locked on, made it through the defenses, and struck, the crew would notice, but catastrophic failure would be unlikely. Remember, the Spectre has four engines.

And fourth, the Spectre travels with escort aircraft that spend their time doing nothing but wheeling around it using night-vision equipment to look for missileers trying to get a lock.

A possible fifth is that it's likely the enemy already knows about Problems 1 through 4, and is therefore unlikely to waste missiles and missileers attacking Spectres. There are only so many Stingers in Afghanistan, and when they run out of stock and reorder, there's likely to be something of a restocking delay. If I were them, I'd save the missiles for a more realistic target: for example, a slow-moving AH-1 Cobra gunship or a UH-60 Blackhawk troop transport with a nice tight turboshaft exhaust signature. 300mph may be slow for a fixed-wing military aircraft, but it's nothing but a pipe dream for most helicopters--and besides, helicopters are what Afghan missileers are trained to engage.

29 posted on 10/18/2001 2:52:14 PM PDT by Barak
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To: Stand Watch Listen
The top two pictures and the bottom two ought to be on TV every single day! As a matter of fact, they ought to be made into leaflets and dropped not only on the Taliban, but on those idiots who are protesting as well.
30 posted on 10/18/2001 2:55:54 PM PDT by McGavin999
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