Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: topher
Praying to Mary is pagan and superstitious. Therefore, the Tilma does not exist.
5 posted on 10/16/2001 10:32:12 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


To: Arthur McGowan
Arthur go stand in the corner and think about what you posted.

When you're ready to talk about it I'll be around.

12 posted on 10/16/2001 10:46:08 PM PDT by d4now
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies ]

To: Arthur McGowan
says who
15 posted on 10/16/2001 10:52:09 PM PDT by classygreeneyedblonde
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies ]

To: Arthur McGowan
Violating the ten commandments offends God greatly.

There was once a very brilliant protestant theologian. His name -- Scott Hahn. At the age of 26 (or maybe 28), he was offered a teaching position at a very good protestant seminary. It was literally the dream of his life.

He, for a long time, thought as you did.

He converted to the Catholic religion.

When he got deep in the Old Testament and what HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER MEANT, he found out that if you wish to honor the mother of Jesus, you would "glorify her", as this would please Jesus.

Also, you contradict scripture with your terminology.

Jesus said: "Do not give what is holy to the unworthy."

Jesus said: "Only a good tree can produce good fruit and a bad tree, bad fruit."

From the first reference of Jesus, only the most worthy woman of all time could be the mother of Jesus Christ.

The second reference implies that such a woman is of such a good tree, that only good can come from her."

Finally, there is a story of a wedding in the Bible. It is the story of the wedding at Cana. Who asked Jesus to help the unfortunate couple when they ran out of wine? And what was Jesus' response.

Well, in case you don't know and are not very familar with the BIBLE, it was Mary.

She asked Jesus, and Jesus said: "Mother, it is not my time." Then Mary told the servants: "Do whatever He tells you." With that, the water was transformed into wine, and the public life of Jesus was BEGUN.

Honoring, and talking to your guardian angel is not wrong. Honoring and talking to a very powerful person in heaven is not wrong either.

But DEFILING THE MOTHER OF GOD IS TRULY WRONG AND BLASPEMOUS!!!! BE WARNED.

There are those who think of what the Catholic Church stands for, and those who have lived in the Catholic Church.

Since you are the former, you are ignorant of the Church's ways.

Finally, there is another thread, where the Eastern Church and the Roman Catholic Church worked to preserve the body of St Luke. It is proving to be authenic by a number of tests the skeleton found in Padua, Italy to be that of the Evangelist Luke. What member of the Protestant faith participated in that.... Preserving the tradition and heritage of the Roman Catholic Church.

20 posted on 10/16/2001 10:55:15 PM PDT by topher
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies ]

To: Arthur McGowan
You need a reputation as a smart ass like myself before you can make sarcastic comments without adding the "slash sarcasm" thingy.

You've gotten flamed by some here - expect more before you do damage control ;)

25 posted on 10/16/2001 11:03:34 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies ]

To: Arthur McGowan
I gave you a long form of my response to you.

I consider Mary to be my mother -- Jesus gave her to me on the cross ("Woman this is your son, and son this is your mother"). Anyone who is a member of her Son's church is one of her children, who she can defend -- not because she is divine, but the favor she has with God the Father, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus (all three persons of the Trinity). Show me a person in the Bible who an angel appears to and says "Hail to you, you are full of grace". And then the response of Mary that though she is the "Handmaid of the Lord", that "God has done great things for me".

God gives her angels and favors because of her position in heaven. Remember, the mother of the sons of Thunder, James and John, asked Jesus that they be allowed to sit at the right and left of Jesus in Heaven. Jesus responded that He does not have authority to say who will sit at His right or left hand -- only the Father can say that.

This clearly implies THAT THERE ARE POWERFUL POSITIONS in heaven. And by other scripture, it can be proven that Mary is very powerful not only when she was of this world but was to be very powerful in heaven.

That does not make her divine, but makes a person of heaven who the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit may grant favors for those on earth.

She is my mother as much as my other mother.

26 posted on 10/16/2001 11:06:54 PM PDT by topher
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies ]

To: Arthur McGowan
Luke 1:48 "Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."
45 posted on 10/17/2001 6:30:12 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies ]

To: Arthur McGowan
Padre, padre, padre...You know since you posted this w/o the "sarcasm" tag you going to be flamed like you've never been flamed before. And I include the never-ending thread flames :-)
66 posted on 10/17/2001 12:56:42 PM PDT by conservonator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson