As you can see, the images are as clear as a bell. The third guy from the right even has an Applebee's receipt sticking out of his jacket pocket.
http://home.inreach.com/bstanley/eye.htm
Posted on 10/16/2001 10:09:15 PM PDT by topher
Engineer Sees a Reflection, Literally, From a Scene in 1531
ROME, JAN. 14, 2001 (ZENIT.org) .- Digital technology is giving new leads in understanding a phenomenon that continues to puzzle science: the mysterious eyes of the image of Virgin of Guadalupe.
The image, imprinted on the tilma of a 16th-century peasant, led millions of indigenous Indians in Mexico to convert to the Catholic faith. Last week in Rome, results of research into the famed image were discussed by engineer José Aste Tonsmann of the Mexican Center of Guadalupan Studies during a conference at the Pontifical Athenaeum Regina Apostolorum.
For over 20 years, this graduate of environmental systems engineering of Cornell University has studied the image of the Virgin left on the rough maguey fiber fabric of Juan Diego’s tilma. What intrigued Tonsmann the most were the eyes of the Virgin.
Though the dimensions are microscopic, the iris and the pupils of the image’s eyes have imprinted on them a highly detailed picture of at least 13 people, Tonsmann said. The same people are present in both the left and right eyes, in different proportions, as would happen when human eyes reflect the objects before them.
Tonsmann says he believes the reflection transmitted by the eyes of the Virgin of Guadalupe is the scene on Dec. 9, 1531, during which Juan Diego showed his tilma, with the image, to Bishop Juan de Zumárraga and others present in the room.
In his research, Tonsmann used a digital process used by satellites and space probes in transmitting visual information.
He insists that the image "that has not been painted by human hand." As early as the 18th century, scientists showed that it was impossible to paint such an image in a fabric of that texture. The "ayate" fibers used by the Indians, in fact, deteriorated after 20 years. Yet, the image and the fabric it is imprinted on have lasted almost 470 years ago.
Tonsmann pointed out that Richard Kuhn, a Nobel Prize winner in chemistry, has found that the image did not have natural, animal or mineral colorings. Given that there were no synthetic colorings in 1531, the image is inexplicable.
In 1979, Americans Philip Callahan and Jody B. Smith studied the image with infrared rays and discovered to their surprise that there was no trace of paint and that the fabric had not been treated with any kind of technique.
"[How] it is possible to explain this image and its consistency in time without colors, on a fabric that has not been treated?" Tonsmann asked. "[How] is it possible that, despite the fact there is no paint, the colors maintain their luminosity and brilliance?"
Tonsmann, a Peruvian engineer, added, "Callahan and Smith showed how the image changes in color slightly according to the angle of viewing, a phenomenon that is known by the word iridescence, a technique that cannot be reproduced with human hands."
The scientist began his study in 1979. He magnified the iris of the Virgin’s eyes 2,500 times and, through mathematical and optical procedures, was able to identify all the people imprinted in the eyes.
The eyes reflect the witnesses of the Guadalupan miracle, the moment Juan Diego unfurled his tilma before the bishop, according to Tonsmann. In other words, the Virgin’s eyes have the reflection that would have been imprinted in the eyes of any person in her position.
In the eyes, Tonsmann believes, it is possible to discern a seated Indian, who is looking up to the heavens; the profile of a balding, elderly man with a white beard, much like the portrait of Bishop Zumárraga, painted by Miguel Cabrera, to depict the miracle; and a younger man, in all probability interpreter Juan González.
Also present, Tonsmann believes, is an Indian, likely Juan Diego, of striking features, with a beard and mustache, who unfolds his own tilma before the bishop; a woman of dark complexion, possibly a Negro slave who was in the bishop’s service; and a man with Spanish features who looks on pensively, stroking his beard with his hand.
In a word, the Virgin’s eyes bear a kind of instant picture of what occurred at the moment the image was unveiled in front of the bishop, Tonsmann says.
Moreover, in the center of the pupils, on a much more reduced scale, another scene can be perceived, independent of the first, the scientist contends. It is that of an Indian family made up of a woman, a man and several children. In the right eye, other people who are standing appear behind the woman.
Tonsmann ventured to express why he believes the Virgin’s eyes have a "hidden" message for modern times, when technology is able to discover it. "This could be the case of the picture of the family in the center of the Virgin’s eye," he says, "at a time when the family is under serious attack in our modern world."
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Blast from the past ....
As you can see, the images are as clear as a bell. The third guy from the right even has an Applebee's receipt sticking out of his jacket pocket.
http://home.inreach.com/bstanley/eye.htm
Wow, this *is* old.
Do you have the Chapter and verses for these two statements?
Matthew 7:6 "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
Matthew 7:18 "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."
I don't see a dang thing....
No,
Wait!
Is that Barney on the right?
Fife, or Dinosaur? Either way, I'm sure it is.
Just a point of fact from this Catholic, the Catholic Church did not "elevate" Mary, God the Father did. We just honor her as the mother of God.
Thr Applebee's receipt might indicate its a forgery..Experts?
Saint Didacus of Alcalá, more familiar as San Diego, was a lay brother of the Order of Friars Minor who died at Alcalá de Henares, Spain, November 12, 1463.
Saint Didacus of Alcalá, more familiar as San Diego, was a lay brother of the Order of Friars Minor who died at Alcalá de Henares, Spain, November 12, 1463.
Saint Didacus of Alcalá, more familiar as San Diego, was a lay brother of the Order of Friars Minor who died at Alcalá de Henares, Spain, November 12, 1463.
It's called a miracle from God. Accept it.
Tan Books has a book by Francis Johnston. It is the Wonder of Guadalupe.
This book has about some of the scientific research into the images in the eyes that was done (I think) in the 1970's (if not, it was the 1960's).
A good stocking stuffer for that special someone.
I remember in Atlanta a few years ago I gave a woman recovering from cancer a number of Tan Books. She later joined a religious order.
The Indians of Mexico (natives) painted over the miraculous image to make her look more like the natives. So there is paint pigment on the miraculous image.
Cactus cloth has a tough time lasting 500 years. Also, in the 1920's or 1930's, the Freemasons in Mexico tried to blow up the image but failed. In the new Basilica is about a four foot brass cross that was bent in two by the force of the blast. The glass covering the picture was uncracked.
In the 1920's they did not have bulletproof glass - at least for the image...
"How many mexicans believe that 'the Virgin of Guadalupe' is/was a demonic manifestation?"
Probably some.
Some also probably believe the moon is made out of green cheese.
People can believe the dumbest things, like those two previous things, for example.
And no, God is not a Jew.
God is God.
Jews are people.
Perhaops the images are not as clear as a bell, but the eyeball itself is clear as a bell, and disturbingly realistic too. It looks like a sonograph. This is a tiny image on cactus fiber from the early 1500s.
Very strange.
Very, very strange.
Play nice, now, amigo.
ping for your consideration.
I have seen this picture several times. I don't buy this story. This is more of the mysticism of the Roman church!
The symbolic nature of the picture was such that it made it possible for different tribes/cultures to communicate just by drawing the picture.
The Indians (natives) of Mexico/Central America/South America that employed human sacrifice were able to see the significance of the image by drawing it in the dirt.
It is a scientific fact that this ended the practice of human sacrifice by these peoples.
For example, there was some sort of ball game in Mexico City at the time of Cortez that the winner got to have his heart taken out of him (while it was still beating) as a sacrifice to the gods.
There have been SCIENTIFIC tests about the image sort of like what was done on the Shroud of Turin.
For example, NASA did some tests on the Shroud of Turin and these tests showed that that the Shroud was created by some sort of unknown energy.
The tests referred to in Francis Johnston's book were done by Kodak. The pupil of the eye basically showed the people standing around Saint Juan Diego when he opened his tilma (which was filled with roses).
Call Kodak Corp as the liars, not the Roman Catholic Church. It is the mysticm of the analysis done by Kodak...
(Eddie Murphy laugh)...
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