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To: vmatt
If you don't mind I'll sit that out. I'm not comfortable voting on biblically related stuff and have never before even been asked. If you wish you can simply deduce my answer in what I have already stated elsewhere. No offense intended.

I'll put you down as a definite "duh"

No problem VM but you may be interested to know that so far, 10 out of 11 say, Yes, God does know our outcome already, and my vote makes it 11 out of 12, FYI.

Thanks anyway

By the way Joyful Wisdom, if your lurking, and want to rethink your answer, the question is still open.

2,925 posted on 10/25/2001 7:36:45 PM PDT by JHavard
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To: JHavard
Please be sure to make it clear that a"yes" vote does not necessarily mean that they believe in predestination.

Becky

2,927 posted on 10/25/2001 7:40:44 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: JHavard
By the way Joyful Wisdom, if your lurking, and want to rethink your answer, the question is still open.

Actually your questions gets into a whole lot of philosophy. If God knows all (i.e. if we will end up in heaven or not) what is the point of existince. God can just place our souls where they belong and forget about an earthly existence. Because in essence if God knows ALL and time is not linear for God, we have already committed the sins before we ever were born.

I believe God know all possibilities, but since He gave us free will he has limited his own knowlwedge on the final outcome. Similar to the way he limited his control over all be ceding hell to satan. He can take back control (or eliminate free will anytime he wants) it is not a permanent thing. Every choice leads to infinite more choices and God knows where each leads.

For example, God can tell I will arrive in Heaven 76% of the time based on my choices but the final resolution of my soul is still up to me

3,002 posted on 10/26/2001 8:22:13 AM PDT by Joyful Wisdom
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