Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
ROFLOL! Well, we all have our moments of weakness. I would've done the same thing!
Yeah sure, but have you ever ripped out your own entrails just to spite someone?
SD
It would seem, from a cursory reading of the last paragraph, that the "sacerdotal" trappings are not really needed anymore, based on NT scriptures.
Let the discussions begin....
Indeed a fetrile ground for discussion. But let us admit that you have not only answered your own question but have also proven Robby's point. It is standard Protestant theology that there is no need for a sacerdotal priesthood, that any "priesthood" is that which all believers share.
That is, as Robby said, that Lutherans don't consider their religious clergy to be "priests" of a sacerdotal nature, or consider themselves to be "priests" more than every Christian is a priest.
Catholics do not adhere to this interpretation. We profess both a priesthood of all believers and a sacerdotal priesthood, a priesthood of men authorized to perform the sacramental function Jesus gave to his Apostles. To a Catholic, these priests are necessary and Protestant clergy are not them. To the Protestant they are not necessary and Protestant clergy are not them.
So we agree on this point.
(The Anglicans are another story.)
SD
Did you know your kicker is a local Dallas boy? Other than that, there's no rejoicing in Big D today. The Cowboys made the worst pass defense in the league look like the best. Too bad we can't vote Jones out of office. :o(
The only thing we agree on in this point is to disagree. I personally do not believe that Jesus ever intended for His church to be a Heirarchal organization, with layers of heirarchy culminated by a Pope, Holy Father, or whatever you want to call him. Jesus stressed the individual's responsibility to, and access to, the Father. I believe that the Apostles and other early leaders may have inadvertantly created more organization that they should have. Somehow that became set in stone, and amplified over the ensuing centuries. I see Luther's "rebellion" (as I'm sure Catholics view it) as a reawakening of knowledge about the individual's direct relationship with the Father through Jesus Christ, and a rejection of the over-arching heirarchy (bureaucracy), at least in part. I'm not saying I agree with everything Luther said, but he did have some things right.
So, it boils down to this. Catholics feel that there must be a sacerdotal priesthood to administer certain rites and sacrifices, and Protestants see no need for that, since we believe that the sacrifices God accepts now are the sacrifices of a contrite spirit and the praises of our lips giving thanks to His Name. There is no more sacrifice for sin, as Jesus has taken care of it. In the end, I guess we'll find out who's right, or at least who is closer to the truth.
How do you follow an act like that? I wouldn't do that for her, it would be too close to what she wanted anyway... and I won't give her the satisfaction...
The only thing we agree on in this point is to disagree.
I think we do agree. The point I am talking about is RobbyS's original point from post 7404.
Since there is no such thing as a sacerdotal order in protestatism, it doesn't matter.
We all seem to agree that there is no sacerdotal priesthood in Protestantism. Whether there needs to be or not is a different question, but the original statement which started this thread is agreed upon.
SD
Y'know ... I did think that. After I posted that, I remembered that you were not. I should have addressed that to TRD, I guess. I'll flag him on that.
Today, the RCC honors St. Josaphat for his efforts to unite with Rome. I was wondering how the Orthodox view his actions.
Hmm...crossing the Tiber, swimming the Bosporus, we seem to be heading in a certain direction. Perhaps you will cross the Jordan back to Jerusalem? ;o)
Blah, ugh, tasteless, ugly, barf, Turkey Bacon!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the main problem was, you didn't put any cheese on it.
Remember the POWER OF CHEESE! :)
BigMack
Favre's statistics through 8 games:
| 2001 Passing | 2001 Rushing | |||||||||||||
| Team | G | Att | Cmp | Pct | Yds | TD | INT | Avg | YPG | RAT | Att | Yds | Avg | Tds |
| GNB | 8 | 261 | 170 | 0.7 | 2016 | 17 | 10 | 11.9 | 252.0 | 94.3 | 21 | 21 | 1.0 | 0 |
Annualize that, and he would have 34 touchdowns and 20 interceptions, and over 4000 passing yards. Kinda high on the interceptions, I agree, but if he makes the team win, he has to be in contention for MVP. The other quarterbacks with higher ratings are not having as good of success in the W/L column.
For comparison's sake:
| 2001 Passing | 2001 Rushing | |||||||||||||
| Team | G | Att | Cmp | Pct | Yds | TD | INT | Avg | YPG | RAT | Att | Yds | Avg | Tds |
| STL | 8 | 285 | 194 | 0.7 | 2308 | 14 | 11 | 11.9 | 288.5 | 92.8 | 7 | 14 | 2.0 | 0 |
Favre's numbers are very comparable to Warner's. His touchdown/interception ratio is actually better, and his QB rating is slightly higher.
The MVP is a person who takes his team to the next level. The Rams have far more firepower on offense than do the Packers. I would argue that Favre means more to the Packers than Warner does to the Rams.
I looked over Jordan and what did I see,
Comin' for to carry me home?
A band of angelos comin' after me,
Comin' for to carry me home. : )
I think the main problem was, you didn't put any cheese on it.
Remember the POWER OF CHEESE! :)
I would give angelo the benefit of the doubt here. There could be two possibilities. Maybe there is a really good brand of turkey bacon and he needs to tell you which one. Or maybe he's just deluding himself into thinking its "turkey." ;-)
SD
Reg, can I ask what brand you sampled?
When my father was in town a few months ago, we had him over for breakfast, and my wife made turkey bacon. My dad (who loves his food, and who does eat regular bacon regularly) thought it tasted just like the real thing.
Faulk may be another story.
at:
http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php/51
says in part:
The fourth longest code in Ezekiel is again one in Ezekiel 37. This 29 letter long code has been translated to read, We Will Get the Foreigner, Tom Brokaw. Something Smells. Consider the Flag Valuable . While anthrax is not specifically mentioned, recent news about the anthrax laced letter sent to the NBC news anchor would seem to make it evident that this code is referring to this virulent bacteria.
WHICH, REGARDLESS OF THE TINFOIL HAT COMMENTS, and in view of Tom B's antipathy for wearing the U.S. Flag. . . I JUST FIND THIS CODE VERY INTERESTING. 29 letters long is quite a long code. Plenty long to be quite beyond chance. Quite beyond.
The whole doc is worth reading.
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