The Neverending Story (The New Christian Chronicles)

Southern Baptists ending talks with Catholic Church ^ | 3/24/01 | AP

[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

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[Invincibly Ignorant]

I'm not going to discuss here the merits and demerits of the Inquisition or of any papal misbehavior. Please check out dictonary.com and verse yourself on the difference between infallibility and impeccability.

Sometimes I wonder if you guys make up your own language as ya go along. Kinda like pig-latin.

[IMRight]

This is Steven. Can't believe you missed the announcement of my name change.

Oh! I miss lots of posts on this thread based on how much time I have and can go weeks without reading it.
What caused the change? Not that I'm complaining... it seems so...well... appropriate :-)

I thought I looked you up with your previous post and FR said you started back in '98 or '99?

[JohnnyM]

"Read the context of that. Paul was railing against the judaizers who had returned to the old ways despite his remonstrance. It can't be taken as a general statement that no repentance is possible for sinners."

Just go on and on with stuff. You've got scripture staring you in the face.

Hebrews 6:4-6
"For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame."

JM

[Invincibly Ignorant]

What caused the change?

You were quick to police your own yesterday. That was my original beef. Remember?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I just figured out why some of our posts don't get posted. If your trying to put a message up the same time someone else is, one of you is gonna lose. Me and Al just tried to post at the same time and he won.

[SoothingDave]

Let me tell you how it happend: For some time before, God had been drawing me to Him, making me aware of His love for me. When it happened, I had walked into a Catholic Chapel on the Kent State campus (Newman Chapel, I believe)with some friends. As I stood at the end of the main aisle, up over the altar was a life-size, full color, detailed Crucifix. The sight of that was as if I was seeing the real thing, and it affected me so deeply that as I reached the front, I dropped to my knees and couldn't even speak. All I could see was that Crucifix, and be aware of what Jesus had done for me.

Thank you for your testimony. Can you believe some folks still question why we display Crucifixes?

SD

[al_c]

Seems you have a conflict of interest here now don't you.

No, I don't think he does. Read the entire letter to the Hebrews and you'll see that Paul is speaking of those in apostocy.

[IMRight]

You were quick to police your own yesterday. That was my original beef. Remember?

No I got that - and I appreciate you noticing although it wasn't for your benefit (he's called me to task before too).
I meant - What caused you to change your nic? Or can I find the story somewhere here?

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I've got the keyboard, Mack in the dog house, and I want to DROP the subject:)

Douglas, Our church right now is small so is all we have are a board of trustee's who do nothing but we have to have them for govermental reasons, (filings, 501c). The way Christ set up his church is Pastors (elders, bishops all the same), and Deacons. You will find all this stuff in 1 and 2 Tim. and Titus. On any issuses such as the parking lot thing the whole church votes on it. If we have a straying member, or one living in sin the pastor is to go and rebuke them. If after time they do not turn away their membership would be revoked on the pastors authority. Such as we had an older couple living together. They did not want to marry because they would lose some social security and benefits. He told them to marry. They took off for a weekend said they got married, but we found out from the man's daughter that they were lying. The pastor went to them again, they finally married, but it was really a tough thing on the pastor as you can imagine. I feel in alot of churchs the pastor would have turned a blind eye to it to save himself the embrassment and trouble. The hard stand is exactly that hard. But that was wrong and they needed to be called on it.

Yes I believe all the doctrine my church teaches. If the pastor started teaching things that were not right, we would bring it before him, then the congregation, and if they agreed he would be fired. If they didn't agree I guess we would leave.

Becky

[al_c]

Me and Al just tried to post at the same time and he won.

WOO-HOO!!!!! What's the prize? ;o)

[OLD REGGIE]

I'm afraid we'd lose Angelo to the RC's if they offered cheese. No packer fan has ever been able to turn that down.

Here's the plan:

1. Offer him cheese.
2. Lead him to Mary by telling him Mary made cheese.
3. Mary being a "traitor" (Bishop Sheen) will lead him away from cheese to Jesus.
4. Now we've got him!
5. Whatever works.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I meant - What caused you to change your nic? Or can I find the story somewhere here?

Well, when I first signed up on the Free Republic it was my first experience with message board stuff. In the place where they asked for a screename I just assumed everyone put their real name there. And now 3 years later I wanted to have a semi-creative name as well. What do ya think?

[IMRight]

I also just realized that if you thought I was asking about your change of opinion instead of your change in nic that my previous two posts seem to give an ugly impression - please re-read them ... I wasn't talking about a disagreement we had weeks ago. Sorry for the confusion (we just can't seem to speak English to each other - no wonder we have problems with Greek!)

[SoothingDave]

Yes I believe all the doctrine my church teaches. If the pastor started teaching things that were not right, we would bring it before him, then the congregation, and if they agreed he would be fired. If they didn't agree I guess we would leave.

It seems more like your church teaches all the doctrine you believe and not the other way around.

(Then again, that's the entire issue here isn't it?)

SD

[al_c]

Douglas, Our church right now is small so is all we have are a board of trustee's who do nothing but we have to have them for govermental reasons, (filings, 501c). The way Christ set up his church is Pastors (elders, bishops all the same), and Deacons. You will find all this stuff in 1 and 2 Tim. and Titus. On any issuses such as the parking lot thing the whole church votes on it. If we have a straying member, or one living in sin the pastor is to go and rebuke them. If after time they do not turn away their membership would be revoked on the pastors authority. Such as we had an older couple living together. They did not want to marry because they would lose some social security and benefits. He told them to marry. They took off for a weekend said they got married, but we found out from the man's daughter that they were lying. The pastor went to them again, they finally married, but it was really a tough thing on the pastor as you can imagine. I feel in alot of churchs the pastor would have turned a blind eye to it to save himself the embrassment and trouble. The hard stand is exactly that hard. But that was wrong and they needed to be called on it.

Hats off to your pastor! They should all be so bold.

[RobbyS]

The state cannot force anyone to deny their moral or religious beliefs. Obviously you have never seen the state in action. Under American law, a belief that is contrary to public policy can be held only so long as it is not translated into action. Let me give you an example on a petty matter. Hence, a public school teacher CAN lose her job if she chooses to read the Bible at her desk even if no students are present in the classroom. This is not true everywhere; the pernicious thing is that her action can, however, become illegal if the school has a well-established policy, wishes to pursue the issue, and the teachers is foolish enough to disobey. Ther right of a public school to set policy normally trumps religious liberty. In the world of "ordered liberty," religious liberty occupies a lower position than many other liberties.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

WOO-HOO!!!!! What's the prize? ;o)

A brand new King James Bible.

[JohnnyM]

you see, I posted Hebrews 6 to refute your belief that you can fall away and come back. I believe and the Scriptures support the idea taht you can't fall away. That it is impossible and Hebrews 6 backs that up. So you seem to continue the misdirection here. You say you can fall away and come back if you repent, but Hebrews 6 says it is impossible to repent once you fall away. So you have a doctrinal issue here, not me, since Heb 6 supports the OSAS doctrine. You also haven't responded to my post from Romans 7 which supports the doctrine of OSAS and Heb 6.

JM

[IMRight]

I like it. It's got that subtle humility that we all associate with you :-)