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The Neverending Story (The New Christian Chronicles)
Southern Baptists ending talks with Catholic Church ^ | 3/24/01 | AP

Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.


Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams


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To: Invincibly Ignorant
You'll appreciate this. There's a story in today's paper about Steeler kicker Kris Brown and how he's "testing the waters" of free agency. The Texans are reportedly looking at him.

Are things that bad?

SD

32,181 posted on 03/06/2002 9:04:18 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: OLD REGGIE
Does it make you think that paganism and new age are closely related to both the Unitarian ideals you like and your actual beliefs (as measured by this test, anyway)?

SD

32,182 posted on 03/06/2002 9:05:38 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
"testing the waters"??? Heck, I'll push him in, if it means we get a new kicker.

JM
32,183 posted on 03/06/2002 9:05:51 AM PST by JohnnyM
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To: SoothingDave
Are things that bad?

Somehow I can't see you weeping at his departure. :-)

32,184 posted on 03/06/2002 9:06:04 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Havoc
Your apparent megalomania prevents you from seperating the two. I will not worship your twisted interpretation.

Megalomania. Comeon, no real words?

Megalomania is a real word.

No real conversation from the Quick and the Whitted? Why no response to the substance - why just slur.

It's not a slur. You blieve that whatever you think Scripture says is the automatic true meaning, and whenever someone has a different take on things, that they hate Scripture, or won't abide by it. This is not a balanced attitude.

And it is quite fruitless to continue to argue over such points with someone who has possession of the fullness of the Mind of God.

SD

32,185 posted on 03/06/2002 9:08:24 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: JohnnyM
Heck, I'll push him in, if it means we get a new kicker.

The Steelers already made an offer to him, so they have right to match any offers given. I doubt he'll be "snapped up" by anyone else.

SD

32,186 posted on 03/06/2002 9:09:49 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Good Lord, Havoc, I'd be pissed at the Church as well if I thought it was magic in knowing all truth about all things at all times like you apparently think we claim. It's about scope. Look into it before you go complete chromatic.

Scope, we aren't talking about the church being all knowing. We're talking about knowing whether something is scripture or not. Whether something is inspired or not. Whether something is true or not based on it's juxtaposition with Scripture. THAT is relevant, on point and required of an institution that has exterminated anyone that disagreed with it while claiming itself led of the spirit and the only ones competent to interpret scripture. How can you be the only one competent to interpret if you don't even know for sure what is scripture and what isn't. And who should trust you knowing that the RCC has forged scripture? Yes do stop flailing about long enough to address those questions, please. Stare at the three colors and tell us they're pretty if you so choose; but answer the questions if you don't mind, rather than trying to dodge or repaint them. Answer them.

32,187 posted on 03/06/2002 9:24:58 AM PST by Havoc
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To: Wordsmith
I think the number is between 25 and 30%.I also think it was an orchestrated infiltration with the specific objective of destroying the Roman Catholic Church from within. I have been complaining about this on this thread for quite some while. I specifically addressed you and 5 others in late February.You did not respond. The post is #29829.
32,188 posted on 03/06/2002 9:25:23 AM PST by saradippity
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To: XeniaSt
1. Islam 100%
2. Orthodox Judaism 100%
3. Conservative Protestant 95%
4. Eastern Orthodox 95%

There was no place for Non-Denominational Bible-believing Christians on this test

The questions were skewed for Corporate religions

I think they're "skewed" for more than just corporate religion. Any results that give you an "A" on all four of the above are more than a little suspect, but I thought they made a good humor break.

Since you scored so high on Islam... could you answer the "is Islam a violent religion" question for us?

Oh... and I thought you were not talking to me anymore. Remember? Satan (me, apperently) had deceived you or some such? I think he even compared a particular belief of yours to Islam? Maybe the quiz is more accurate than we thought? :-)

32,189 posted on 03/06/2002 9:26:48 AM PST by IMRight
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To: Havoc
We're talking about knowing whether something is scripture or not. Whether something is inspired or not. Whether something is true or not based on it's juxtaposition with Scripture. THAT is relevant, on point and required of an institution that has exterminated anyone that disagreed with it while claiming itself led of the spirit and the only ones competent to interpret scripture. How can you be the only one competent to interpret if you don't even know for sure what is scripture and what isn't. And who should trust you knowing that the RCC has forged scripture?

Whatever are you talking about now? "Forged Scripture?" "Not sure what is Scripture and what isn't"

Contrary to your belief I can't hear the voices in your head, and you have provided no clue as to what you are talking about. Please try harder next time.

In fact, I defy anyone here to tell me what Havoc is talking about. Anybody?

SD

32,190 posted on 03/06/2002 9:29:07 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
XS>I believe that I am 100% follower of the Christ not a member of a Corporate religion.
SD>You're not part of a body? ("Institutional" maight have beena better word.)
32164 posted on 3/6/02 10:26 AM Mountain by SoothingDave

in·sti·tu·tion Pronunciation Key (nst-tshn, -ty-)
n.
1. The act of instituting.

2. A custom, practice, relationship, or behavioral pattern of importance in the life of a community or society: the institutions of marriage and the family.
Informal. One long associated with a specified place, position, or function.

3. An established organization or foundation, especially one dedicated to education, public service, or culture.
The building or buildings housing such an organization.
A place for the care of persons who are destitute, disabled, or mentally ill.

cor·po·ra·tion Pronunciation Key (kôrp-rshn)
n.
1. A body that is granted a charter recognizing it as a separate legal entity having its own rights, privileges, and liabilities distinct from those of its members.
2. Such a body created for purposes of government. Also called body corporate.
3. A group of people combined into or acting as one body.

Yes, I am part of the body of Christ.

However, I stand by by my words "follower of the Christ not a member of a Corporate religion."

chuck <truth@YeshuaHaMashiach>

32,191 posted on 03/06/2002 9:30:34 AM PST by Uri’el-2012
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To: Gamecock
Welcome (back?) to the thread. I didn't even recognize the post from last year. If you're starting at the beginning... drop us a line when you get up to March :-)

Oh... and it will save time if you ignore the posts between SoothingDave and Havoc.... they constitute about a third of the thread. They both have good points otherwise, but seem to talk past each other when in direct dialog.

32,192 posted on 03/06/2002 9:31:13 AM PST by IMRight
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To: XeniaSt
I was looking more at this one:

A group of people combined into or acting as one body.

But I knew what you meant. I was just funnin' ya.

SD

32,193 posted on 03/06/2002 9:31:58 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
There already are married clergy in the Church. You will never see women "priests." It is simply impossible. Count on it.

I know you have "married" clergy. If you weren't so quick to play word games it wouldn't have been necessary for this little piece on inanity. What makes you so positive it is "impossible" to have women priests? Is it "impossible" to change Canon Law?

Is this "infallible"?

APOSTOLIC LETTER ORDINATIO SACERDOTALIS OF JOHN PAUL II TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON RESERVING PRIESTLY ORDINATION TO MEN ALONE

"Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful."
32,194 posted on 03/06/2002 9:33:55 AM PST by OLD REGGIE
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To: OLD REGGIE
I always knew I was a misfit.

Oh boy..... That's quite a list.

I'm not familiar with "neo-Paganism"... got any websites for that one? How is it different from the old paganism?

32,195 posted on 03/06/2002 9:35:55 AM PST by IMRight
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To: OLD REGGIE
Is this "infallible"?

"Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful."

You're darn tootin' it is. The language seems prety clear to me that the Pope is settling a matter of faith and morals for the entire Church and that he is making it binding on all. Those who say otherwise are delusional.

SD

32,196 posted on 03/06/2002 9:38:52 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
I can't help you regards knowing what Havoc is talking about. However,I can point out that he errs. He says the Roman Catholic Church is:"an institution that exterminated anyone who disagreed with it" I believe he is proof positive that they didn't.(this is a joke)
32,197 posted on 03/06/2002 9:40:44 AM PST by saradippity
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
My results:

1. Conservative Protestant (100%) 2. Eastern Orthodox (94%) 3. Roman Catholic (94%) 4. Seventh Day Adventist (83%) 5. Orthodox Quaker (80%) 6. Latter-day Saint (Mormon) (70%) 7. Orthodox Judaism (62%) 8. Jehovah's Witness (62%) 9. Hinduism (61%) 10. Islam (55%) 11. Liberal Protestant (52%)

Interesting. Who exactly are these "Liberal Protestants"? How can everybody be closer to Islam than Lib Protestant (except Reg - he's a "misfit")?And if we all get the same score for Eastern Orthodox/Roman Catholic (94 is not bad by the way. Give me a couple days and we'll have you all the way home), why do they differentiate between the two?

32,198 posted on 03/06/2002 9:46:25 AM PST by IMRight
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To: IMRight
Where's the link for this test?

Becky

32,199 posted on 03/06/2002 9:49:08 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: IMRight
And if we all get the same score for Eastern Orthodox/Roman Catholic (94 is not bad by the way. Give me a couple days and we'll have you all the way home), why do they differentiate between the two?

That's what I said. The two always score the same. You think they'd ask a question about the Pope to differentiate the two.

SD

32,200 posted on 03/06/2002 9:49:09 AM PST by SoothingDave
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