Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
This was actually included in one of the selections in the book we got to choose our readings for our wedding. We didn't select this one.
SD
What better verse for a wedding than Luke 14:20:
Still another said, "I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come."
Vmatt: Isn't IS 22 talking about Shebna (the viceroy) being defrocked for over stateing his authority and usurping the power of the king? Therefore the key referenced is the authority of viceroy. If you are making an arguement that like Shebna, the Pope has usurpted power unto himself that is a valied arguement but... The revelation quote is contradictory to this arguemnt because the holder of the key will be left standing at the end because they are righteous. now I know I am just looking at the actual words in the quotes you mentioned so I am sure I am missing the true deeper hidden meaning so please explain.
Where did all those go who spent days arguing about the keys given to Peter? Can it be that they have no idea what the very keys they argue are? David is mentioned more times in the bible than any other save Christ. Over 1100 times. David was the father of Jesus Christ. Jesus himself asked the following question concerning David, one that must be answered to understand this key. Can you answer it?
Matthew 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
In case some of you were not aware of it, I sent letters to two local Catholic Churches today, and I received this response back from the smaller of the two Church’s already, because they had an e-mail address, the larger Church didn’t have one, so I sent it snail mail.
Dear XXXXX and XXXXX,
Thank you for your letter of concern and support. It truly is a blessing that most people, whether they fully share our Catholic faith or not, recognize that the vast majority of priests and ministers are good, upright and holy men striving to serve the Lord and His people. As you are probably aware, we have had local problems both within the community and within the Church. Fortunately, our local Bishop, XXXXX XXXXX, has dealt with the (un)priestly issue in an open, straightforward manner. Several days ago it was reported in the paper that there are no priests active in this diocese who have been guilty of such deplorable acts against children. None have been "hidden" or transferred from one parish to another as seems to be the case elsewhere.
All Church personnel, both clergy and laity, paid and even volunteer (if they have any sort of supervision of children), are required to undergo extensive law-enforcement background checks. Prospective seminarians are required to undergo extensive psychological testing before being admitted to the seminary.
Many safeguards are indeed in place in this diocese in an effort to keep our children safe and our Church holy. Please continue to pray for a good end to this scandal. This is a spiritual battle and Jesus Christ and His Church will emerge victorious, even if some of his disciples emulate Judas.
Where sin increased grace abounded all the more (Rom. 5:20). May God use this to remind the world that sexual acts are only morally good within the sacrament of Holy Matrimony! Pray for that grace!
God bless you both,
Father XXXXX XXXXX
St. XXXXX Catholic Church
Spacifically his Apologies and the Dialogue of Justin, I read them recently and could see nothing that made any changes to what is clearly in the canon scripture. JH
Yes, the same one I posted here. JH
Even if you could some how prove that one single passage with out a supporting scripture means what you say it means, you would still have to connect your church to Peter, and what you call apostolic succession.
From what I've read recently, that theory was stolen from the Gnostics, and they didn't have any better luck proving it then you have.
If apostolic succession had been what Christ had planed for us, he sure didn't make it clear or leave a visible trail, did he?
I believe we are all right where he wanted us to be according to his plan. JH
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Or us NC's as well.......
NIV John 14:16-18
16. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever--
17. the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
18. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
20. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."
16. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that `every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'
19. Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses.
28. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
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