The Neverending Story (The New Christian Chronicles)

Got it. Let me give it some thought, and I'll get back to you.

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31,721 posted on 03/04/2002 12:57:52 PM PST by al_c

This article appeared in my local paper last Friday. This is my synagogue. :o(

I told you not to give allend the address of your synagogue. :-)

31,722 posted on 03/04/2002 12:59:09 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant

To: SoothingDave;angelo

Usually these types of things turn out to be just stupid kids, and not any actual threat.

We had a similar incident here in li'l ol' Des Moines a year or so ago and that is what it turned out to be.

31,723 posted on 03/04/2002 12:59:43 PM PST by trad_anglican

To: SoothingDave

Calvin: Dad, will you explain the theory of relativity to me? I don't understand why time goes slower at great speed.
Dad: It's because you keep changing time zones. See if you fly to California, you gain three hours on a five-hour flight, right?
Dad: So if you go at the speed of light you gain more time, because it doesn't take as long to get there. Of course, the theory of relativity only works if you're going west.
Calvin: Gee, that's not what Mom said at all! She must be totally off her rocker.
Dad: Well, we men are better at abstract reasoning. Go tell her that.

LOL! Calvin & Hobbes was my favorite.

My four year old son had this to say this past Saturday about why the seasons change:

"When the time turns green, the temperature will melt.
When the temperature melts, the snow will melt.
When the snow melts, the time will be yellow.
And then it will be Spring!"

31,724 posted on 03/04/2002 1:03:40 PM PST by malakhi

As for the divinity of Jesus, the doctrine of the incarnation was hardly something of which Jewish leaders would be aware.

Golly, I don't THINK so! It sure isn't the NT that is being referred to here!

NIV Isaiah 7:10-17
10. Again the LORD spoke to Ahaz,
11. "Ask the LORD your God for a sign, whether in the deepest depths or in the highest heights."
12. But Ahaz said, "I will not ask; I will not put the LORD to the test."
13. Then Isaiah said, "Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of men? Will you try the patience of my God also?
14. Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

NIV Acts 9:22
22. Yet Saul grew more and more powerful and baffled the Jews living in Damascus by proving that Jesus is the Christ.

NIV Acts 17:2-4
2. As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
3. explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. "This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ, " he said.
4. Some of the Jews were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a large number of God-fearing Greeks and not a few prominent women.

NIV Acts 18:28
28. For he vigorously refuted the Jews in public debate, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ.

NIV Romans 1:1-4
1. Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God--
2. the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures
3. regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David,
4. and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.

NIV 1 Corinthians 15:1-5
1. Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand.
2. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance : that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4. that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
5. and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve.

NIV 1 Timothy 4:13
13. Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching.

NIV 2 Timothy 3:14-17
14. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it,
15. and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
16. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17. so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

NIV James 4:5-6
5. Or do you think Scripture says without reason that the spirit he caused to live in us envies intensely?
6. But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says: "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble."

NIV 1 Peter 2:6-8
6. For in Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
7. Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone, "
8. and, "A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the message--which is also what they were destined for.

31,725 posted on 03/04/2002 1:04:10 PM PST by Elsie

To: SoothingDave

Bummer, dude. Usually these types of things turn out to be just stupid kids, and not any actual threat.

Probably. Although Appleton is not only the national headquarters of the John Birch Society (and the hometown of Joe McCarthy, BTW), not that far from here is where the Posse Comitatus (Lyndon LaRouche's group) had a "compound". This is a safe, tolerant area, but I'm not going to kid myself that its completely free of anti-semitism. Even if just of the idiotic, ignorant variety.

31,726 posted on 03/04/2002 1:09:36 PM PST by malakhi

No problem. If you'd prefer, you can send it to my email. Do you still have that?

Yep, will do.

31,727 posted on 03/04/2002 1:10:07 PM PST by malakhi

14. Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Elsie, this prophecy was fulfilled 700 years B.C.E. The word mistranslated here as "virgin" is almah, the Hebrew word that means "young woman". The Hebrew word for "virgin" is betulah. Almost every new edition Christian bible translates this correctly. BTW, when was Jesus ever called "Immanuel"?

31,728 posted on 03/04/2002 1:13:21 PM PST by malakhi

BTW, when was Jesus ever called "Immanuel"?

Hey I can answer that. Apparently Matthew mistranslated it too.

Matthew 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

31,729 posted on 03/04/2002 1:17:47 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant

The word mistranslated here as "virgin" is almah, the Hebrew word that means "young woman".

Is that a literal or a figurative translation? ;-)

31,730 posted on 03/04/2002 1:19:57 PM PST by SoothingDave

When the snow melts, the time will be yellow.

And like a good cheesehead, you gently corrected him and said it's gold, green and gold, right?

31,731 posted on 03/04/2002 1:21:59 PM PST by trad_anglican

To: Invincibly Ignorant, angelo

Matthew worked for the IRS, angelo will never buy it.

BigMack

31,732 posted on 03/04/2002 1:25:16 PM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

So an interpretation of the 70 weeks using years is a valid exegesis using Scripture.

How DARE you use Scripture to back up your argument!?

31,733 posted on 03/04/2002 1:26:11 PM PST by Elsie

To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Matthew worked for the IRS, angelo will never buy it.

The greek translators must have agreed with the word "virgin".

31,734 posted on 03/04/2002 1:29:32 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant

To: trad_anglican

Why couldn't Calvin and Hobbs have suffered the same fate as Peanuts and never gone away?

Oh....... they're gone?

They live on in my coffee table cartoon anthologies!

(Besides, for a young man to show as much insight and wisdom as he did thru C&H, after getting a few more years under his belt he may be back - even better!)

[....it would rank right up there with the Second Coming, IMHO!]

31,735 posted on 03/04/2002 1:31:35 PM PST by Elsie

To: OLD REGGIE; american colleen

I'm afraid I disagree that Papal primacy is clear in the first version of St. Cyprian's writing, and with your assumption that he didn't write both. You are too quick to accept the Latin equation of St. Peter with the Pope of Rome. The first version is perfectly consistent with the Orthodox interpretation I enunciated earlier: Peter is the prototype of the Bishop, in whom (according to other writings of St. Cyprian and St. Ignatius of Antioch) the unity of the Church is expressed. One must be in communion with one's bishop to be in the Church.

Orthodox scholars generally view the later version as an attempt on St. Cyprian's part to make clear his original intent after early partisans of an inflated view of Roman primacy misused his earlier version.

Incidentally, OR< thanks for the assist in answering ac's question: the later version is St. Cyprian's correction against incipient papism I had been looking for to answer ac's question

31,736 posted on 03/04/2002 1:31:59 PM PST by The_Reader_David

To: SoothingDave

You could have said this a few hours ago and saved us some trouble. :-)

I find that if I'm away from this thread for long, things pile up EXTREMELY fast! So, as I read on down, I find something to rattle on about and I post my reply, only to find that wiser(?) heads than mine have already jumped on it. Please forgive me for being late today.........

31,737 posted on 03/04/2002 1:34:43 PM PST by Elsie

To: SoothingDave

Can you picture a herd of innocent sheep that have complete trust in their shepherd,

No.........

but I can a flock!

31,738 posted on 03/04/2002 1:36:24 PM PST by Elsie

To: Invincibly Ignorant

The greek translators must have agreed with the word "virgin".

Yeah but they were wrong, Jesus is not God, my faith is runied, I'm going back to smoking dope.

BigMack

31,739 posted on 03/04/2002 1:36:35 PM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

To: SoothingDave

We may lose large numbers of people, even clergy, the liberals wouldbe absolutely aghast but it would be good for the Church.

Amen Brother!

This would be good for ALL of our churches and denominations to do the same!

31,740 posted on 03/04/2002 1:37:57 PM PST by Elsie

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