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The Neverending Story (The New Christian Chronicles)
Southern Baptists ending talks with Catholic Church ^ | 3/24/01 | AP

Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.


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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
"We accept his gift of salvation, that is the only thing we do…"

If I may ask, how would you describe in your own words what we do to "accept" in this usage?

2,561 posted on 10/24/2001 2:16:19 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Pelayo
And what does this mean? Word of God? Look at your post #1527 and you will see what I was responding to.

(Your post #1529)

Ah now I was waiting for this one to come up! Who was the first person to hear the Word of God and really keep it in a literal sense? Jesus is not admonishing his mother, but stating why she is truly Blessed.

If, by this, you really mean "Jesus of God" that is fine; unusal sentence structure, but whatever.

If you mean "God of God":

John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

That is also fine; just as unusual.

If you didn't mean either, you should probably pay more attention. If I thought you meant "word of God", stupid me!
2,562 posted on 10/24/2001 2:19:06 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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To: eastsider
He said to them: "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean.

Yes, he did, he used the key God gave him to open the kingdom to the Gentile,Mt 16:19 but right after that he relinquished control of them to Paul, because he must have had a problem dealing with them.

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. V-12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

2,563 posted on 10/24/2001 2:20:10 PM PDT by JHavard
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To: al_c
...and the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ.

that is eternal life btw. It also does not say eternal once you have died and done everything correctly. Once you have accepter the gift, eternity starts. Eternity, forever, from right now to ...,

Becky

2,564 posted on 10/24/2001 2:21:05 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: JHavard
Hey, Harvard! I'm still looking for info on that Caddy truck. Could be that it was indeed an aftermarket business (probably started by some disgruntled Catholic trying to prove that a Caddy is a Chevy ;o).

Stay tuned ...

2,565 posted on 10/24/2001 2:23:28 PM PDT by al_c
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To: D-fendr
Believe that you are a sinner in need of a savior, and that Jesus Christ is that savoir, and he is the only savior.

Becky

2,566 posted on 10/24/2001 2:23:30 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: hopefulpilgrim
I thought I asked this a while ago, but I can't find the post anywhere. Does anyone have a link to an online version of the Vulgate or Douay-R ?

DOUAY-RHEIMS

As for the Vulgate or the New Catholic RSV - it appears they are for sale only. Wonder why?
2,567 posted on 10/24/2001 2:23:56 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
This is a subject that could surely carry us up to the 1 year anniversary of the Neverending Story. ;o)

I agree with your statement, but we are still called to avoid sin. Why?

I'll leave you with that ... I'm outa here for the evening. God bless.

2,568 posted on 10/24/2001 2:27:12 PM PDT by al_c
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To: OLD REGGIE
As for the Vulgate or the New Catholic RSV - it appears they are for sale only. Wonder why?

Isn't it amazing how in only a few short years of internet usage eveyone wants every bit of intellectual property for free and RIGHT NOW!?

SD

2,569 posted on 10/24/2001 2:29:38 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
A Sola Christian who read two gods could listen to arguments from others about what Scripture really means. But in the end he will believe what he believes the "Holy Spirit" has told him is true. There is no earthly authority to which he must listen.

Why is it you continue to misrepresent what Sola Scriptura really is. You know full well, as St. Augustine said, it means Scripture has Paramount Authority.

Your continued misrepresentation is a transparent attempt to set up a "straw man". Why don't you just make a serious attempt to handle it in an honorable manner?
2,570 posted on 10/24/2001 2:36:01 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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To: al_c
I agree with your statement,

Yahoo!! I believe this is a first for me to have one of you guys come right out and say we agree.

but

Darn:( I knew there was a catch.

we are still called to avoid sin. Why?

All through the book of 1 John it tells us Why, Because it only makes sense that we are going to love God when we understand why and from what he saved us. And to show are love for him we will keep his commandments. It;s really very simple. Not keeping the cammandments mind you, just why we should avoid sin.

Becky

2,571 posted on 10/24/2001 2:39:17 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: OLD REGGIE
Why is it you continue to misrepresent what Sola Scriptura really is. You know full well, as St. Augustine said, it means Scripture has Paramount Authority.

What have I misrepresented? Scripture to vmatt has "prarmount authority" and needs no interpreter except the "Holy Spirit" who told him there are two gods. Where exactly does your Sola Scriptura find the authority to counter him?

Your continued misrepresentation is a transparent attempt to set up a "straw man". Why don't you just make a serious attempt to handle it in an honorable manner?

Honor? What have I misrepresented? The Holy Spirit is given to each Christian and will lead him to knowledge. There is no need to listen to a Church if it counters what the "Holy Spirit" told you Scripture means.

I'll say it a fourth time. If vmatt was a Catholic we could tell him he's wrong because a Catholic will listen to the Church over what the "Holy Spirit" told him.

As a Sola Scriptura Christian, the "Holy Spirit" telling you what Scripture means is the ultimate authority.

Now, tell me why there is not a difference between a Catholic who obeys a Church and a non who obeys "the Holy Spirit" and what it says Scripture means.

I don't appreciate being told I'm "misrepresenting" things. Prove it.

SD

2,572 posted on 10/24/2001 2:44:06 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Pelayo
Enter human reason and logic, we use them to understand our feelings. If I fell emotional detached, empty, or laking love and hope, I'm in a bad state, because I'm missing something I was created to have.

Do you ever wonder why you are not understood?
2,573 posted on 10/24/2001 2:45:43 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Pretty good response from Dave, goes along with his banging his head and heals on the floor. :)

lol

2,574 posted on 10/24/2001 2:49:17 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: JHavard
Have you ever asked yourselves why with 12 apostles who had been with Christ, why did he have to go out side of them, to find a man to go to the Gentiles?

Please, Please, Let me answer. "Because Peter was already the Pope and he said it was ok".
2,575 posted on 10/24/2001 2:55:15 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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To: OLD REGGIE
RE: 2573 & 2575: LOL, your on a roll:)

Becky

2,576 posted on 10/24/2001 2:59:46 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: OLD REGGIE
Please, Please, Let me answer. "Because Peter was already the Pope and he said it was ok".

I believe you will find that in the findings of the counsel of trent, section 2, pragraph 3, sub section, 5 page 8949. :)

BigMack

2,577 posted on 10/24/2001 3:03:23 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: allend
You mean like into contraception, abortion, and other places where almost all the large Protestant denominations have gone?

We have gone down this road before, I doubt there are more then a handful of Churches that approve of abortion, but they leave it to the individual to make the choice between them and their Savior, do you think there are more Protestant Church attendees that get abortion then Catholic attendees?

If there is no difference then what have you proved by acting like it is your hallmark?

Let's hear it for democracy! I wonder why Jesus didn't set up his Church on that basis; seems downright un-American!

Surprise, surprise, He did set it up on that basis, why do you think he made the Church in man, and took it out of the Temple?

There are close to 30 solid scriptures that tell us the Holy Spirit is now in man, and that's how God has chosen to work with us this time, individually, and on a one on one basis, it's too bad you can't handle it.

Have you ever asked yourself why even this man Paul, selected by Christ to preach the Good News, felt he had to check with the other Apostles to make sure his preaching was correct? See Gal. 2.

Why would I wonder, these were the men who had known Christ in person, and they were the only men who Paul could compare what the Spirit had led him to teach, and what they were teaching, although it seemed foreign to them on how to deal with Gentiles.

This would have nothing to do with the changes that were coming in the future, because from then on, Paul made the decisions himself, and we as well as you are part of that Gentile Church he brought in.

2,578 posted on 10/24/2001 3:07:58 PM PDT by JHavard
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To: Havoc; OLD REGGIE; JHavard; Steven
Looks like the PROTESTANT underground has come on the eve shift. :)
2,579 posted on 10/24/2001 3:11:14 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: allend
You mean like into contraception, abortion, and other places where almost all the large Protestant denominations have gone?

Do you care to discuss the difference between the birth rates of "Protestants" and "Catholics" in the United States?

Do you care to discuss the birth rate in Italy? in Ireland?

Do you care to discuss just how the low birth rate is achieved in these countrys?
2,580 posted on 10/24/2001 3:14:05 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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