Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Bad rhetoric, Dave. The proof's in the pudding. You won't look at the pudding or taste it, you merely pick up the packaging your church offered and want to show us their picture of it and their description. I've presented the documents - which both by circumstance and by the types they are serve as proof in and of themselves in some cases - ie the effect on doctrine.
You have had proof before you. You're still trying to tell us that a black wall isn't a black wall - because you say so. Your clergy lied through it's teeth to try and take power over all of catholocism and anything that called itself christian. They caused a schism in the process. And they used forgeries and frauds to do it. It's no wonder Pius was so defensive about it in that 'we aren't responsible for the schism' remark. Couldn't fess up then, and won't fess up even now. Revisionists on inquisition, decretals, crusades..... It's sad the number of things your clergy has to lie about or distort nowadays. But mistating facts to bolster claims is standard - just like the non-unanimous unanimous consent. All noise and no substance.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I personally WANT to go to church. I attend Mass even when I'm not obligated to.
Oh hi Havoc. I couldn't see you, but when I listened to the words, I knew it couldn't be anyone else!
That's actually a bit of a stretch. The fact that a word is made up of two roots and you find definitions (that do exist) for those roots that have never been put together does not mean that the definition "exists". It means that if you wanted to make up a Greek word for "God of Usury" that word could be used. But that doesn't mean the definition exists until the word is first used that way.
But just like the English words "God of Usury" have not been used before, this word has no history used the way it was offered.
The word Protestant has a definable meaning. The fact that the root "Protest" and the root "ant" both have valid meanings in and of themselves does not mean that "an objectionable insect" is a "definition that most definitely exists" for "protestant". Although, perhaps in some cases I'll admit an exception.
Havoc never claimed that. Nice attack on me though. Still fishing for ways to invalidate me... LOL. People can read. And if they read the contents of the Decretals and then understand how many books the Catholic church has pushed as real, though they were frauds, it becomes pretty clear that the Catholic church has no clue what real material is. They don't have any idea what was led of the Spirit and what wasn't. They pushed frauds for the real thing and ignore the real thing in pursuit of an agenda. The number of books that have been exposed as frauds and forgeries that have been in use by the Catholic Church is staggering. You can't push truth if you haven't any idea what the truth is. And your church obviously doesn't. It has both created and bought into forgeries. Tell us on what basis we accept anything from your clergy without a full accounting of facts? You Can't afford to respond to that so I'm not holding my breath for an answer.
Now get out of here and spend time with your family.
I know it's through nothing I have in me other than Jesus. The which I have been saying all along. People without Jesus and the Holy Spirit have no authority through them. That is why the Demon said "Jesus I Know and Paul I know; but who are you.." All true christians have such authority. but then that is where it is so important to know the true gosple message. Without it, you can go jousting with no spiritual weapons - deluded - and be run through. This is why many decieved ministers are lept upon and taken to task by the possessed. It's why some priests in early writings were sent a running by demons they attempted to drive out. Approaching with no authority and no understanding of spiritual things is a good way to get oneself injured or killed along with the person attempting to be helped. And I'd venture to say this is why you don't see True miracles or deliverances, etc in the Catholic church. I've seen creative miracles worked through evangelicals. I've never seen, heard or read of even one through the Catholic church in my time. Nor do I know of any catholic that has.
Jesus said the fruits of the Spirit would follow those who were truly His. Where are they in Catholicism? Where have they been? I've seen the fruits of the Devil all through Roman catholic history, but, no fruits of the Spirit of Lord God... How then can they claim to be truly His.
Don't have to tell me twice. Just put Hannah to bed and am about to head back to the hospital. Y'all take care. - AC
As evidenced by you and Woodkirk here lately?
What I really can't find is how any decretal changed the course of history in respect to the Catholic Church.
Thanks for your help.
What is a creative miracle?
Circular (i.e. faulty) reasoning. "Catholics don't have real miracles because they don't have the Holy Spirit. You know they don't have the Holy spirit because they don't have miracles. When they claim they have miracles, you know they lie because you know they don't have the Holy Spirit as evidenced by the fact that they don't have any miracles."
Is this what Old Reggie refers to as "spin"? Because I'm dizzy.
Happy to be of service, Ma'am.
She does seem to draw to your intelligent posts above all others though.
That's admirable. What I was responding to is the wording Dave used "Mass obligations".
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