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[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

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[malakhi]

Thanks for your answers, D.

fasting also serves to strengthen our spiritual aspect over our desires, increasing our freedom through restraint; it also increases gratitude for life.

I agree. It shows us how dependent we truly are on God's provenance.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Jesus knew this man's sin was the love of money, and had to say this to him to show him his sin.

Becky

[IMRight]

But when I tried to tell you that these were the beliefs I walked away with after 12 years in catholic schools, you said that I was just being not bright, or not paying attention, or going to a bad school, or that I just wasn't getting it. If that's the case then there are alot of not bright, or not paying attention, or bad catholic schools out there becasue from this survey there are alot of catholic's out there that don't believe the same why you do.

Actually, all of those things were probably true (with the exception of you not being bright enough). More than any of those, however, it is the failure of the Catholic Church (and the other churches listed appearently) to teach sound doctrine in an effective way. We can debate all day WHY this is so, but we all have to agree that we are collectively doing a lousy job in our mission.

[IMRight]

I have began to really wonder if the bunch we talk to here are members of the same Catholic Church I have known throughout my lifetime.

I suspect we should take that as a compliment, no?

How do the non-Catholics on this board compare to those you have known (not your small-group, just others you have met at church)?

[IMRight]

Are you slamming protestants or the Holy Spirt with this post? Be very very careful.

This is slamming the Holy Spirit? Where were you when I needed you in the 1400's? You thought it was OK if some Catholic had previously called someone a dirty name.

[IMRight]

Amen

[Havoc]

He was considered the greatest of the prophets. But no images were made of him. After the Torah, there is little mention of him in the Hebrew scriptures. And the writings of the sages and rabbis take pains to illustrate the human failings of Moses. Contrary to the usual pagan customs, where someone like Moses would be deified, the Jews took every effort to ensure that it was understood he was just a man.

Thank you. You saw precisely where I was going with it.

[malakhi]

Jesus knew this man's sin was the love of money, and had to say this to him to show him his sin.

Good answer, Becky. Even considering that, though, since it is in the gospel, doesn't it apply to all Christians as well? (At least in some sense, I mean). What about

[9] Take no gold, nor silver, nor copper in your belts, [10] no bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor a staff; for the laborer deserves his food. [11] And whatever town or village you enter, find out who is worthy in it, and stay with him until you depart. [12] As you enter the house, salute it. [13] And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it; but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. [14] And if any one will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. (Matthew 10:9-14)

Francis of Assisi heard this passage read during a mass. Afterwards, he looked up the passage himself in order to study it more thoroughly. He took the message here seriously, and it transformed his life.

[Havoc]

This of course is your interpretation. You assign the messiah roles for which there is no basis in the Hebrew scriptures. You also won't find any support in the Hebrew scriptures for the idea of individual interpretation.

In the Hebrew scriptures - no. But, individual reading with interpretation Guided of the Spirit of God is there in the Greek NT. Most call it 'sola' to deny the Spirit and bring question upon the person claiming to do this. And the office of the Messiah is pretty well defined in scripture. My words to that effect are a summation of the most obvious. Which as a Jew, I understand you reject.

[JHavard]

Francis of Assisi heard this passage read during a mass. Afterwards, he looked up the passage himself in order to study it more thoroughly. He took the message here seriously, and it transformed his life.

So now I'm waiting for you to pass out your Swiss Account number, ...just in case any of us are thinking of giving up our wealth. Lol (*g*)

[malakhi]

With the qualification that you are basing what you said on the Christian scriptures...I agree.

[malakhi]

So now I'm waiting for you to pass out your Swiss Account number, ...just in case any of us are thinking of giving up our wealth. Lol (*g*)

LOL!

Send it to:

angelo
C/O FreeRepublic, LLC
PO Box 9771
Fresno, CA 93794

I'll have Jim Rob forward it to me.

[dadwags]

#1740
Where did he get this idea that some may be scorned or...
Maybe it is the same reason a Baptist wont speak to you in the liquor store ? (0_0)

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I agree the non-catholics know about as much about their faith as catholics know about theirs. I am appalled sometimes at the questions that are asked by the "old timers" in our Sunday school class. But I have to say that at my church it is becasue those people are not listening, or just do not want to accept the truth, because in the three years I have been there the truth is being taught without apologies, which is as it should be. Jesus was not bashful when making his points, if it hacked someone off well it just hacked them off. I have heard preaching were the absolutes were so vague you weren't sure they were absolute.

Becky

[malakhi]

Maybe it is the same reason a Baptist wont speak to you in the liquor store ? (0_0)

And here I thought it was a vow-of-silence, religious obligation thing, as they contemplated the mystery of single malt scotch. ;o)

[IMRight]

I've heard years of solid preaching at the Bible church we sometimes attend. Yet the ratio's there may not be remarkably better. It may not be the lack of preaching... It may be that the ears of man are often deaf. :-(

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

This brings up a point I was just thinking about, wondering how everyone here feels about it. What do you consider biblical seperation? Where is the line between seperation, and isolation? For instance, (BTW this is a topic I have strong opinions on) do you think "christians" can in good conscience send their children into public schools? I believe the bibles teachings on rearing children, and being seperate from the world makes it impossible to send your kids to PS. What do you think?

Deut. 6:7

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

BTW I don't know anything about Fransis of Assisi, but the passage you reference, Jesus is speaking to his apostles as he sends them out to spread the gospel. I beleive he is telling them and us that it is our repsonsiblity to support our pastors. Where your money is there will your heart be. (Not exact quote) It is a way for them to know who responded to the message and who didn't.

Becky

[hopefulpilgrim]

I agree : ) with all you said in #1746, and these hermeneutical principles would be applicable to anything we read, especially when it's from a different culture and age. But RobbyS said that in addition to the Scriptures, we need "a key to their interpretation." Keeping all you said in #1746 in mind, the real key to understanding the scriptures is found in the verses I quoted from 1 Cor. 2. A child of God, according to Rom. 8, is one who is "led by the Spirit of God." 1 Cor. 2 enlarges upon His ministry in us, and it's worth reading again: "For to us God revealed them [mysterious things] through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things freely given to us by God, of which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit."

[malakhi]

This brings up a point I was just thinking about, wondering how everyone here feels about it. What do you consider biblical seperation? Where is the line between seperation, and isolation? For instance, (BTW this is a topic I have strong opinions on) do you think "christians" can in good conscience send their children into public schools? I believe the bibles teachings on rearing children, and being seperate from the world makes it impossible to send your kids to PS. What do you think?

I agree wholeheartedly!!! I know that some evangelical Christians have suggested that Christian students need to remain in public schools, in order to be the "leaven" which will work to change things from the inside--that they need to be the voice of the gospel in a secular institution. The problem I have with this is that, no matter how educated they are in the scriptures, they are still children. Does any parent really want to run the risk of exposing their children to the secular/socialist indoctrination of the public schools? Teachers are authority figures to students, and they will have an influence no matter how well prepared you think your children are.

Far better to see that their minds are shaped appropriately, so that when they do go out into the 'real world', they are prepared to face the challenges to faith that they find there. It is our primary responsibility as parents to raise our children. Turning them over to the tender mercies of the government schools is an abnegation of that responsibility.